Big List of THOUSANDS of Exes Who Have Spoken Out

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@The Wrong Guy, I had changed my prior edit to eliminate starting the release with "A list,". Do you think you could incorporate the "Over 1000 former members" opening into your version. I like that you kept the first graph shorter and moved fair game to the second graph as well, has more impact that way.

2 questions for consideration:
Should there be a clarification on the time frame of those on the list? It wouldn't be good if we inadvertently gave the impression that these are all happening now.

forgot the second question.

Also, and not for inclusion in the release, this project is the perfect example of what Anon can do (with a h/t to those who did the real work on this list). This information has been out there, but it has no power or relevance in isolation. Compiled and presented in this manner gives it a currency that can be powerful. This list will be referred to and linked to so many times in the future. It is a good thing.

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I have updated my post above this one to include what you typed while I was typing earlier.

I'm happy to help. Many thanks.

Hey - once again you typed while I was typing. I'll change it again now.

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Yes, I did that awhile ago, so refreshing your browser should show you the updated version. Let me know if I can do anything else.

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thanks guys!!

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Just reposting this from the other thread...

Hey guise,

When I made the video "Another One Leaves The Cult", I had to find and then fix-up the photos. It was a good amount of work. I think I have about 100 of them.

If they are of use to anyone, and it can save them some time and effort, here's a link to download them:
PHOTOS_EXES.zip

Cheers,

WTW

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I'm loving this.

Some ideas:

• The earliest "speaking out" on the list? (Or one of them - is there anyone in the 1950's?)
• The most recent "speaking out" (Carol Kramer, April 10, 2010)

Then we can point out how the numbers have increased markedly during the two years as the Anonymous movement made it safe for people to speak publicly. Might as well also plug how in the last few months the independent movement has gathered momentum and members.

Thanks guys!

(I like it beginning with "A list of over 1000 former members ... ")

Sorry I can't help much right now.

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Volney G. Mathison (inventor of the E-Meter) in a 1954 publication.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC-zSzIK4Wg]YouTube - Go! Go! Go Anonymous![/ame]

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A Doctor's Report on Dianetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pic taken from manual of justice 1959.
There are 3 others in the pic.

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Ok. The earliest and the latest is a great idea and a good hook for a journalist. Can someone who worked on the list dig for that? That is a really good idea and takes care of the time frame thing perfectly. Also, like the idea of showing more have come out recently if we can.

"A list of over 1000 former members" does put the emphasis back on the list in a good way. Having offered suggestions starting both ways, I'm of two minds on it clearly...others should wrap that up, but we are close to done imo.

TD, would this be something for gregg to kick out the jams on with the big media list?

Should the next protest feature signs with 1000 on them?

We need a graphic for the project and the wiki that makes the point.

I just wanted to say kick out the jams.

Comments? Thoughts? Ideas?

I love threads like this. When it's happening.

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Just wanted to drop by and Godwin this thread....

Itzhak Stern: This list... is an absolute good. The list is life. All around its margins lies the gulf.
- Schindler's List

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Technically Joseph Augustus Winter, M.D departed before Scientology existed, whereas Volney G. Mathison was at the first scientology conference, June 1952 in Phoenix.

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Made a few minor edits, bolded. Also, the phrase in red is suspect. ;-)

The semicolons in the list are not quite considered proper since there's no comma in any list item. Changed semis back to commas.

Whassup with my link suggestion? I figgered someone would put in a better one by now, or else leave it as is and delete the suggestion.

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amend: Michelle Ryan is formerly Michelle Sterling.
add Her main website is www.exscn.net

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Hey - thanks again. All I'll do is repost Johnny's revised version, eliminating the redundant "the", and without bolding what had been bolded.

May we always remain this bold.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

List of 1,000 Former Members Publicly Speaking Out Against the Church of Scientology

Over 1,000 former members of the Church of Scientology have spoken out publicly against the so-called church, according to a list researched and compiled by Anonymous over the last year and announced today.

The individuals on the list have spoken out under their real names against the abuses seen and experienced within the so-called church despite being subjected to Scientology's "Fair Game" policy, which gives members permission to destroy its critics. Most former members do not ever speak out against the church, largely due to this policy.

The stories told by these ex-members are similar to the revelations made recently by former members speaking out against Scientology in highly-visible stories in the New York Times, the St. Petersburg Times, and most recently, in a five-part series on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360. According to the Church of Scientology, these former members are "liars" and "apostates" with an agenda to destroy the church. Anonymous wonders whether Scientology will also call all 1,000 of these former members liars.

The list, which continues to grow daily, contains many names of individuals who no longer practice Scientology at all as well as many others who do. What they have in common is that each of them has decided to step forward and tell the world what happened during their time within organized Scientology. While their backgrounds vary widely, their stories are similar and many themes run throughout: rigid control of information, enforced disconnection from loved ones who are critical of the group, zealous campaigns to squeeze money from members, physical and emotional abuse of children and adults, slave labor camps designed to reinforce indoctrination, and many other disturbing practices. The problem is not limited to any particular country. Their compelling stories emerge from numerous countries all around the world.

Anonymous now celebrates the compilation and publication of a 1,000-strong list of human voices no longer silenced, and never again alone. You can find the list online here: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/12-active-projects/big-list-over-1000-exes-who-have-spoken-out-65217/ {substitute better link if desired}. Documentation is provided for each name included in the list.

All remaining victims or observers of abuse within organized Scientology are invited to speak out and add their names and their messages.

We hope that the courage shown by those named on this list empowers more people to come forward with their stories of abuse, and ultimately prevents such abuses from ever taking place again.

Since February 2008, Anonymous has protested the crimes and abuses of the "Church of Scientology" and its many front groups. These protests, as well as public awareness efforts like the Big List, will continue.

We are Anonymous
We are Legion
We Do Not Forgive
We Do Not Forget
Expect Us.

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Suggestion:

"The Golden Age of Scientology Collapse: 1,000 Members Speak Out Against the Church. Only 25,000 left to go."

Use Scientology imagery of horses, knights, miscavige, etc.

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That press releases looks good to go to me.

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hey guise, looks good!
but IMO, let's not spend too much time picking it all apart. People will keep disagreeing on what it should say. As long as it has the basics, and the grammar is correct let's do this. I think it should go out ASAP

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BAMP

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if a graphic is desirable perhaps a section of Wag's video showing all the photos skimming by

I like the draft, but with this suggestion:

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Shouldn't we put in a line about Tommy Davis' famous "just a few bitter apostates"?, something along the line of:

The Church of Scientology brushes aside the critique of former members as coming from "a few bitter apostates". Those few have grown into a list of a thousand people coming out against the organization under their own name, even more people have chosen to do so anonymously.

My 2 cents.

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Over One-Thousand
Out of total membership?
Maybe one-percent

[sorry, not a dig.
one hundredth of every Sci
who ever joined, is BIG]

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one more thing....There are THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS more members that have left over the years (espeically during the 1980's when the max exodus occured when the upper management shifted) that have not come forward due to fair game and possible family and friends disconnection.

But really guise let's get this out

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^^^ Good idea is good.

^^ Take your time and get it right and maximize the punch (pun intended). Once it's released, that's it.

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yeah I know, I am just getting antsy

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release is lookin good, hats off to Johnny for getting the guts of it rollin' last version sums it up well imho

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Sci-Fi writer and author, A.E. Van Vogt.

His 2nd wife died of cancer (and Van Vogt claims, 'it had been put aside somehow by the Dianetic thing')
I don't see that he was ever accused of 'squirreling' but he went on to open a 'Dianetics Center in LA,' and 'In the end I signed off somewhere around 1961."'

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A. E. van Vogt - A Profile By Charles Platt

"But right in there she got some [Dianetic] auditing, and the problem all faded away just like it never was. She was not sick again, sheE. Mayne Hull didn't go to a doctor, until we went to a funeral of a friend who had died of cancer in Phoenix in 1970. On he way back she said, It's like the end of an era; and she burst into tears. One month later she had blood in her urine and they examined her and this time they said, It is cancer. The point is, it had been put aside somehow by the Dianetic thing. Dianetics is essentially based upon Freudian therapy, but Freud allowed the patient to freely associate, and he never concentrated upon one incident. Dianetics concentrated upon one incident, going through it again and again. When that was done, things seemed to fade away. Certain incidents that my wife ran seemed to be keyed to her health; clearly they were not erased, they were just put back, you might say, into some slot."

Van Vogt recalls his work in Hubbard's Dianetic Research Foundation: "Hubbard, having a naval background, had his staff meetings at seven a.m. and I closed that place up at one o'clock at night, when he'd been gone many hours. I went home and went to bed at five-thirty or something like that.

"After the organization went broke, Mayne and I decided to open up our own Dianetics center here in Los Angeles. I partly supported it by putting books together from earlier short stories, because I charged very little at the center--seventy-five dollars for thirty hours of what we called project auditing. In the end I signed off somewhere around 1961."

(?)The Hypnotism Handbook AE VV & Charles Cooke (1956)

But van Vogt didn't stop thinking about psychology, and inventing his own theories. At one point he realized that his system of tapping the subconscious, in order to write science fiction, could also be used as a kind of therapy.

(he could have started his own religion.)

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But does he really say anything against COS, or did I miss it?

and what was his full name? We are not using any names with just initials.

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/r/ Press Release be posted on the wiki when it is finalized.

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Can we please change the Wiki title name without people getting a misdirect in a search?
Can we take out the word "ex scientologists"?
I talked to someone and they said:

if the title is changed, Google will update it in a few weeks. This person asked if the forum has sitemap.xml to submit to Google webmaster tools, or if not, can come someone make one? (I have no idea what any of this this means or if it is correct)

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I'm looking into the source of this, if it's not enough:

[In the 1950s, van Vogt briefly became involved in L. Ron Hubbard's projects. Van Vogt operated a storefront for Dianetics, the secular precursor to Hubbard's Church of Scientology, in the Los Angeles area for a time, before winding up at odds with Hubbard and his methods. His writing more or less stopped for some years, a period in which he bitterly claimed to have been harassed and intimidated by Hubbard's followers..

The above ref from: A. E. van Vogt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alfred Elton van Vogt - (His books were all published under the name A.E. Van Vogt)

--Another ref:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...assed by scientology&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Van Vogt's output became very sporadic for a period in the 1950s, when he worked with L. Ron Hubbard for a brief time on Dianetics, the precursor to Scientology. Van Vogt became unhappy with Hubbard's concepts and left the movement. He reported that he was harassed by Hubbard's followers during this period and only returned to writing at the request of fellow science fiction writer Frederik Pohl.

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Still, it is someone else telling the story and not him speaking out. And it is still only a name with initails and not his full name.
I have read tons of names that I know left, that I know did things that got them fair gamed and what have you, but I am unable to find them speaking out in a public fashion. It is totally maddening.
but we have to keep th list credible.

If you can find this guy's whole name and him speaking out against COS, then we can add him

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It was changed before we hit 1000. It now says "Ex-Scientology members" since even those still calling themselves Scientologists are no longer members of the official Scientology organization.

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Well I still don't think it reads correctly, and those still practicing Scientology will not want to be known as "ex-scientology" members.
They are not ex scientologymembers, they still practice it. They are ex church (cough) members.

It would have to say "Former Church of Scientology Members Who Left and Spoke Out
or something to that nature. And as long as it does not cause a search misdirect.

This would only benefit us to change the name, more people may come forward if it doesn't say "ex-scientology".
And the more numberz da better

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"Scientology" is only referring to the organization in that title. You even correctly used that title in your OP, and the first paragraph of the wiki makes it clear.

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the issue has been discussed extensively around here and I agree with RO: title ought not to say ex-scientologists

you new? if so, welcome...but you're still wrong about this

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I agree with RO too, it ought not to say ex-scientologists, and I agree with the "new?" anon that it actually doesn't say ex-scientologists anymore. The change was made and perhaps if it's not enough someone should start a POLL thread about this instead of taking up posts here which are meant to focus on researcing/finding ex-members of Scientology that have spoken out.

Leaving the ambiguity there (given that the "spoken out" is also ambiguously leaving it to the reader to find out more) IMHO will draw people into wanting to read more.
Catering only to one group who have left over others that have left and have links speaking out about the entire scope of Scientology, not just the organization, would be an insult to them.

Think of it this way: Do we really want to bait them in with a title that claims it's only the organization itself being discussed, only to switch it when they start reading entries in the list that discuss the entire thing?

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I get what you're saying snamyeh but I still think the term 'ex-scientology members' is inaccurate and may discourage some folks from wanting their name on the list.

A poll might be an idea but I've no idea how to start that.

btw LOVE your avatar, can't stop myself watching it every time I see it.

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yes I know it was used in the OP title. But I didn't realize when I started the list that so many ex's would still be practicing Scientology

all's I am saying is take out ex-Scientology and replace with
Former Church Of Scientology Members Who Have Spoken Out
or
List of Former Members Who Have Spoken Out Against The Church Of Scientology
That way it will please both groups. Simple.