BFG and CSI Judgment Is In

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Honestly, its nice to know how other countries do it but for the Headley's its irrelevant. Diff country, diff laws. Any British Ex who might want to pull a BFG tho should pay attentiong.

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I don't know about the effect or relevance of minimum wage laws in other countries as related to Headley's case but it might go to proving scientology's global failure to adhere to such laws.

Here's a link to a new article concerning scientology and it's scofflaw attitude from The Netherlands.
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/questions-parliament-investigation-into-scientology-netherlands-51089/#post967581

"Scientology, according to the Amsterdam Chamber of Commerce, is a publisher. They do not pay minimum wage and they do not keep up to the collective rules for people working for publishers (CAO). The Work Inspectorate is now researching into breaking the Minimum Wage Law, spokeswoman Suzanne van Gils says. "If there is a contract, the employer must pay the legal minimum wage.""

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No, because the rest of riverside county and the united states pays minimum wage.

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Federal Labor Law has no exemptions to minimum wage for religious workers. Fed law trumps state laws. Even if Texas has such an exemption, the Federal law would prevail.

Anon support is happy, but ineffective in the courts.
And getting your money on account back doesn't hold a candle to the dangers of suing the Church of Scientology for something other than getting your money on account back.

Most exes would rather risk expiration of statute of limitations than risk their lives and livelihoods by becoming Enemy # 1 to C of S.

If you don't understand the game, I recommend you do more reading.

In such a case a judge might well think that is a religious profession. However, I'd say that in any org of 100 staff, only 5 are auditors and maybe 1 is a Chaplain. That leave 94 other people who should get minimum wage without question.

LRH non-fiction books of Dianetics and Scientology topic are made available for sale to the general public through some of the bigger named bookstores (who usually don't stock them in retail stores, but have these books available on their websites). bn.com is one such example. And CofS once bragged to the parishioners that Barnes & Noble was stocking Hubbard books.

Bridge Pubs staff also go out into the streets to peddle their books (ALL of them) to the general walkabout public.

CofS arguing that the target audience of their books is only their parishioners is contradictory to their own actions over the years.

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Sketchy bit of info here......

I believe that the decision in Marc's case is now in (re the organized scientology motion to dismiss). It is being studied and I would guess that either Marc or Barry will clarify what it is very shortly.

As far as I understand it, it is a total win on human trafficing and good on tolling.

I suspect we'll find out details tomorrow.

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Thread title amended in light of ^^^.

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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Let's not get too carried away yet. A "total win" on the issues raised in this application to dismiss does not carry with it any final judgment on the claim being made by Marc. It's a step in the process.

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yup, hopefully someone can post the decision...

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My dick is already hard.

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/popcorn

I have a good feeling about all of this

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SO IS MINE!!!!1!

bracing for epic.

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^^^^^^^Exactly^^^^^^^

remember, organized scientology was trying to get the case thrown out. That I believe is what is defeated. The case still needs to be tried.

As I said way earlier on the thread, and Barry said far better than I could, the expected decisions were only on their motions to dismiss.

They lost this type of action recently in the Diskeeper case. They lost this type of action recently in the Kyle Brennan case. Now it appears they lost this in this case so that the case can go on.

Anyway, remember my info is just sketchy and I defer now to whatever Barry and/or Marc want to say.

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^^^^^^ Oh shi- If I'm wrong about this I am SO going to be the goat in here now! LOL

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Thanks for the update Larry.

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I don't know what "in the goat" means, but it sounds painful. esp. for the goat.

But if someone doesn't deliver on this judgment within, say, 6 months you will dislodge arnie from his pedestal.

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^^^^ LOL ^^^^^ To be the goat means EPIC FAIL. As in, be the hero (EPIC WIN) or the goat (EPIC FAIL). If what I said is wrong I would thus be "the goat".

And, if I do dislodge Arnie, I hope I get at least 13,000 views and 300 replies so that I beat my own record of views and replies for my Laura D. litigation prediction thread and so that I can go to my total ban or ban to the basement with the record of "top troll of 2009"!

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How is managing to not have the case thrown out "epic?"

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Thanks for cutting through the layers of BS and getting to the crux of the matter. Well written.

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How much effort went into making sure this case wasn't thrown out? They didn't just meet in a room and play rocks, paper, scissors. Every time Marc, Claire, and Laura move forward it will be epic.

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That's just like, your opinion man.

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It's sad when stuff like that passes as "epic." Enjoy your downstat.

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Perhaps you're OSA or part of the cult. Perhaps you don't understand the US legal system. Perhaps your definition of "epic" differs from hers.

However, I DO understand the US courts, and it is a huge important "baby step" to have a case not dismissed. Particularly when it is becoming a pattern that they are NOT being allowed to be dismissed.

Why? Because if something is not dismissed - then it moves forward and is TRIED. Evidence is presented. The truth comes out.

Pretty epic to me, in my book.

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In case you haven't learned...only culties worry about (or use the term) "downstat".

I'll make you a deal. I will enjoy that which you perceive is a "downstat". In turn, you enjoy the demise of your "religion", kk, for Anon surely will celebrate that EPIC day!


<3

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Okay, I'll bite... How on earth is not getting a case thrown out downstat? Or did you get BFG confused with someone else?

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They didn't get the case thrown out.

They got the attempt to get the case thrown out [by scilons] thrown out.

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You misunderstood, and I'm too tired to try to explain.

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So it's like, epic, but in a babystep kinda way, but perhaps not so epic in a all-growed-up flying judo kick the the cult in the balls kinda way, amirite?

Reminds me of the how you yanks have totally devalued giving fucking awesome performers standing ovations by dishing them out for anything that doesn't totally suck.

But go on - My lunch at McDonalds today was pretty epic too.

PS: I'm OSA too... ʄ

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I will leave you two to squabble over the giblets, while I will await the juicy good news, the slower the better...lol

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Have you even read the Federal Min wage law ? It allows states to make their own guidelines.

I am sure you thought you where correct when answering complicated legal questions but when you pull answers out of your ass it IS NOT HELPING

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Once again scientology fails to have a lawsuit thrown out. I guess they get 1/2 star for the attempt, but BFG et al get the full 10 stars for standing ground and presenting a lawsuit that the court considered valid and worth hearing.

Who is the scilon lawyer? Moxon, Paquette, a hired gun?

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What you quoted says nothing about states' law trumping federal laws. Dox or stop acting like a schlub.

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Agreed.

Dox or STFU / quit being a scilon troll.

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Its hard to do that, when assholes like you keep restimulating their hinge muscles.

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If you are who I quoted, then keep digging there's an exit down that hole somewhere!

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Federal preemption of law: Federal preemption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Because "having the case thrown out" is OSA's target. And you still have to forage for toilet paper from Burger King.

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Implications are better than most have suggested. Plz post the decision so I can parse.

By making everything an issue of fact, incredible win is achieved- ie depo of slappy- either in this action or future actions. That is why osa is freaking out here. It also makes every case a potential time bomb.

All we need is a win on employment issue, or determination that fact issues remain in this regard. Then the noose tightens to an extreme level.

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That is correct, but does not apply, I do not have access to the information atm . What I had read, allows states to include their own exemptions. (unless I am hallucinating) The state exemptions are not in violation of FSLA but there is actually part of FSLA that allows States like Texas to make laws like this:

LABOR CODE CHAPTER 62. MINIMUM WAGE

What line in the FSLA I do not have time to look up again.

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Scientology moved to dismiss the complaints or strike most of the allegations. The Court issued its order in Marc's case yesterday afternoon. A ruling is expected in Claire's case soon.

The unfair business practice, minimum wage, and human trafficking claim under the federal statute survived the motion to dismiss. The court dismissed the human trafficking claim under california state law, and , in effect, denied the request for leave of court to amend the complaint to convert the state 'representative action" into a federal class action.

I was not necessarily going to try to convert this to a class action but tried to keep the option open. Before getting in a dither about class actions, please consider that the statute of limitations may be running on numerous claims. The main reason I would file class action papers would be to toll the statute of limitations for the class of employees who left within the last 3-4 years.

The good news was that the court found that the 10 year statute of limitation on forced labor under federal law applied and had been met. The court made a preliminary finding that marc could recover damages under the federal forced labor statute for his entire period of work.

I would not call this 'epic" , but it is a necessary win. The lawyers in the case have moved on to discovery and Rule 26 compliance. Marc's and Claire's depositions are set for later this month, and we have a few moves in contemplation.