Benjamin Ring, LA Sheriff's Deputy, Under Official Inquiry for Endorsing Expensive Scientology Servi

Discussion in 'Media' started by Anonymous, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. TomVorm Member

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  2. Anonymous Member

    So how many Scientologists are in the LASD and do they get special treatment for the position? If Ring was a Sea Org baby, did he actually go to an accredited school as required to get the job?
  3. Anonymous Member

    Maybe the scientologigists are taking a cue from the Irish when they came to the States en mass. The Irish were looked down upon and so they became cops and ran for elected office. They then were in position to make the laws and enforce them.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Didn't Woll Smith say "scientologigists" were 98% like the bible?
  5. Anonymous Member

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  6. Smurf Member

    One only has to be a high school graduate or have a GED to apply. The LASD, like most police departments, give priority in hiring to those that are military veterans & civilians still in the reserves. I'm betting Ben got a letter of recommendation from Sheriff Baca to assist his chances in being hired.
  7. Anonymous Member

    Since LRH worked for them Baca's recommendation is probably not necessary:

    2. Los Angeles Special Officer card, Badge #2484. Information on the front of the
    card is filled out by hand, as follows: Name/ “L. R. Hubbard”, Residence/ “8250
    Lankersheim”, Employee/ “Metropolitan Detective”, Age/ “36″, Height/ “6′”,
    Weight/ “196″, Eyes/ “Gray”, Hair/ “Red”. The right index fingerprint is on the
    lower right corner of the card, signed “L. Ron Hubbard”. On the back side of
    the card the information is as follows: “Commission no. 82, Badge No. 2484,
    Gun ,45 Colt U.S. Army Model 1911, S/N #90906, Name/ Lafayette Ronald HUBBARD,
    From/ Metropolitan Detective Agency, Dated/ 1-7-48, Signed/ L. R. Hubbard”.

    With the knowledge that the right index finger found on the “Special Officer” Los
    Angeles Police card had been verified as being the right index finger of L. Ron
    Hubbard, I decided to use it because it is a very clear image to work with.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    LOL. 62 years ago. You're kidding, right? Otherwise, loose the tinfoil hat on your head. You'll have a brain seizure.
  9. Anonymous Member

    Clearly ADD.
  10. Anonymous Member

    LRH probably was a security guard with this ID card issued by LA City, Office of the Chief of Police:

  11. failboat Member

    No, it's actually a question. Let me show you an example (hypothetical, of course) of an ad hominem

    "You, Ackerland, are a hyperbolic douchebag."

    That's an ad hominem.

    You see, in Latin, "ad hominem" actually means "to/toward the man." Rhetorically, the term is understood to mean direct attack on the person instead of the argument.

    Herro's question actually addresses your argument head-on.

    You neglected to answer it.
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  12. grebe Member

    How about a member of the KKK. Can a KKK member be a police officer?
  13. Sponge Member

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  14. Anonymous Member

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  16. Sponge Member

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  17. Anonymous Member

    Because LRH was a war hero and a law enforcement hero all Scientologists who apply for leo jobs should be moved to the front of the line.
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  19. Ackerland Member

    It is a question that is designed to make people believe I make my assertion because people believe in Scientology, I thus hate Scientologists and I am bigot. I consider this an ad-hominem attack.

    In fact, I even have answered the question and have outlined my position, in that very same post. It is the deeds and actions of the organisation that counts, that stands behind these believers. Herro wanted to make it look like I condemn people for their beliefs. That is not the truth.
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  20. thewayup Member

    Now where's that old Thetan Busters shoop gone?
  21. Herro Member

    Actually I was trying to show you that you've fallen into the same trap as the people who think Muslims can't be trusted. Ask them why and they'll tell you it's not about the beliefs- all the same things you've said. It's not an ad hominem attack. I'm just pointing out what you're doing.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    What is a "Special Officer?" The web site says this:

    "An outgrowth of the greater urban sprawl, leaving the city with roughly half the officers per capita as New York or Chicago, the Los Angeles Special Officer had become a fairly common sight as of 1948. In all, some forty-five private patrols were then active across Los Angeles, most enlisted by business communities through larger detective agencies. Their primary duties were of two kinds: The guarding of particular properties, e.g., banks and warehouses, and the patrolling of a general neighborhood on behalf of local merchants.

    In the latter, the Special Officer’s duties were virtually the same as the regular officer, although he had no powers of arrest beyond the 'citizen’s arrest.' He was, however, uniformed – slate gray but otherwise indistinguishable from LAPD blues – and he was armed."

    This looks to me like something of a volunteer force that assists the real police -- what we today call "neighborhood watch groups." But I'm not sure that it is correct to call these people "police officers" any more than neighborhood watch volunteers or uniformed private security guards would be called police officers.
  23. leafs Member

    Not inconsistent at all, Herro.

    Also, here's another answer to your arguments in an earlier post. I'd like to point out first that the case at hand is much more clear-cut and that there's no need to argue that CoS scientologists shouldn't be in law enforcement positions at all. It's simply a matter of violating regulations concerning what can and can't be done while in uniform.

    The difference in my opinion is how strictly adherence to writings is demanded and followed within the organization or group in question. If someone was a member of Al Qaida they shouldn't be allowed to hold public office in law enforcement even if there is no proof that person has done anything else besides membership or of any disloyalty by that person. Yes, simply because they're a member of Al Qaida, for no other individual reason.
    If someone is involved with a neo-nazi group they should have no place in law enforcement. Yes, simply because they're a member of a neo-nazi group, for no other individual reason.
    If someone is involved with the Mafia they should not gain excess to sensitive law enforcement documents about the mafia or, in my opinion, have any role in law enforcement at all, even if there is no demonstrable evidence against the individual in question concerning anything else other than membership in the mafia. Yes, simply because they're a member of the mafia, for no other individual reason.

    In my opinion it is legitimate that membership in extremist groups has negative consequences for the ability to work in law enforcement. And the Church of Scientology is an extremist group.
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  24. Ackerland Member

    That is not true.

    There is one monolithic organization, the "Church of Scientology", as opposed to many little organizations Muslims are organized in. These different organizations oftentimes have different agendas and purposes. Some are very radical, some are very liberal in the writings of the Qur'an. So I agree with you saying being a muslim automatically makes one unfit for official duty is too simple. What counts is, whether there is an organisation in the background of people's lives, that has demonstrated in the past to have an agenda to curtail other people's freedoms, and that has significant control over its members. You will have muslims in such organisations banned from public service as well!
    In Scientology, we have
    - one monolithic organisation with one agenda - that one of David Miscavige.
    - established that Scientology continues to violate human rights to this day
    - an organization that seeks to curtail people's rights and freedoms when Scientology's interests are concerned.
    - significant control over cult members
    - the first loyalty of cult members is always with the Scientology organisation

    Putting these factors together is why I came to my conclusion. Thus, I would not say independent Scientologists should not be in public positions, because there is no abusive organization in the background (yet).
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  25. Anonymous Member

    ps: This isn't a shoop, it's from a Scientology promotional video.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    In this case the word "special" is similar to it's use in Special Olympics.
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  27. grebe Member

    And what is the name of the Muslim corporation you are comparing to Scientology? Which department supervises its intelligence operations?
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  29. Anonymous Member

    1948? Isn't that the same year he got charged for check fraud? And I guess there were no background checks required for what sounds like a lame security guard extra. Wasn't it in 1947 he went begging to the V.A. that he was blind, crippled, and oh yeah, a mental case? lol
  30. Anonymous Member

    There's no gray areas here. Scientologist doctrine orders crimes to Not be reported to anyone or any agency other than Scientology organization. Period. If one does, then you magically are transported into the wog world and transformed into a lowly humanoid, referred to by scilon's as "degraded being.

    There's also 60 years of historical evidence about all this. In black and white
  31. Anonymous Member

    Those were all part of his undercover work for the FBI etc.
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  32. Anonymous Member

    You get the catholics, I will toss myself under a bus and sleep with's been two years and I'm probably a deadly weapon by now. Two birds.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Sounds like a plan, thanks for doing the dirty work.
  34. Anonymous Member

    Mike Rinder, Aug 5, 2011, statement about Miscavige, Guards and Protestors:

    "Gomez, Wheaton, Bryan, Allender and Co. are chum tossed in the water. LaBlow/Abelson/CofM/POB buy them as bait. They brief them on what to do and say to try and get Marty to bite.
    What is most amusing is that this, and Minervozo from Freedumb and the PI’s with hockey masks “escorting” us around are a reflection of what would drive POB insane. If he even thought someone was following him he would have an armored guard procession escorting him to “protect” him as he is terrified someone is going to target him. He is scared shitless of doing any media — it would be his worst nightmare to be caught by a reporter with a camera who asked him questions. He is totally paranoid about protestors being anywhere near him, and elaborate measures are taken to ensure he never crosses paths with anyone."
  35. Dianetics JR Member


    “Let him show his records. We don’t know anything about this guy.”
  36. Trotter Moderator

    Please stop spamming this. Thank you.
  37. Anonymous Member


    Then who would be C.O.B.?

    (inb4 prophet muhammad cartoon)
  38. Anonymous Member

  39. Anonymous Member

    I answered you on another thread about this, but I should say that on This Thread, I didn't mean for this to be here. I tried to delete it, but it didn't happen.

    Other than that, well, you know.
  40. Anonymous Member

    Islam is not a corporation.

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