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Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

Discussion in 'Senator Xenophon And Scientology' started by Trev6, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. Trev6 Member

    Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    BBC News - Australia opposition elect new leader

    I know nothing about Australian elections. But if a snap election happens, does it affect Senators? Will Senator Xenaphon be forced to campaign to keep his seat? If he is no longer a Senator, his calls for an inquiry will lose a lot of weight, is all I'm thinking.

    Mods, please delete/merge this thread if this has already been brought up.
  2. Nefarious Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Bonus points for getting him elected Supreme-Roolah of Australia.
  3. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Yes, if a snap election is called, both Houses of Parliament are dissolved, and Senator Xenophon will need to be re-elected.
  4. thefatman Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Both houses only get dissolved in a double dissolution.

    Unless Mr. Turnbull (Leader of the Opposition) gives up his seat as a politician there would be a vote with the general public in his area. However, AFAIK, they are voting on his position as leader of the opposition, which doesn't affect the voting public.

    See, Australia doesn't choose it's Prime Minister, we vote for a party and the party has chosen someone to run as their leader, that person, if they party wins, becomes the PM.

    Since Xenophon is in the Senate and Turnbull is in the House of Representatives, he will be unaffected by the leadership vote. Basically all the Liberals are doing is self-destructing and choosing who their figurehead is.
  5. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    whoever owns the media will hold who gets in. This day and age its the internetz. Maybe he will become Prime Minister, you just never know.
  6. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    You haven't heard the news yet, Liberals have already picked Abbot as their leader, the ETS will not pass, so a double dissolution is now possible.
  7. TinyDancer Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Corrections:

    1. Malcolm Turnbull is no longer leader of the opposition. The new leader is Tony Abbott.

    2. The early election being mooted is not about the leadership of the Liberal/National Coalition (as to which, see point 1) but is a general election. It may be called if the Senate fails to pass the Government's legislation. As this is the second run of the legislation through parliament, a second failure would give constitutional grounds for the dissolution of the entire parliament (senate and house of representatives) and cause an early general election. Yes, in that case, Senator X would be up for re-election. He reportedly romped in last time and is hugely popular in his state of South Australia.

    Gillard won't be drawn on Abbott-led double dissolution | The Australian
  8. thefatman Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    True.

    IMHO, Abbott isn't opposed to the idea of an ETS, he is opposed to it in its current form, all the Senate has to do is recommend adequate changes to the Bill. AFAIK, the government only needs a few Liberals to 'cross-the-floor' in order to pass this.

    It would be as big a footbullet for the Liberals to cause a double dissolution as it would be for OSA to destroy the internets.
  9. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    I always assumed Australian political proceedings revolved around some sort of ritual involving boomerangs and kangaroos.
  10. Trev6 Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    If a double-dissolution happens, best to keep our eyes open for the inevitable smears and dirty tricks from Scienos around the good Senator's campaign.
  11. Timmibal Member

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    Very good idea. Lord Xenu probably won't have to worry about them (OSA) as I'd think they'd just keep their current 'spamcannon /t everybody' going, but it never hurts to be prepared.
  12. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Hmmmmm... this situation must be watched closely.

    Our Marcabian canidate has yet to accomplish his mission, I hearby /r/ frequent situation updates and some more in-depth analysis.


    Glory Marcabia!
  13. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Your assumptions seem to all have that kind of ability of accuracy.
  14. Timmibal Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    You'll know when we know, probably at the last minute and with minimal information, considering it's the labour government and those fuckers don't seem to care about informing people about any sort of relevant info.

    Oops? Was that partisanfaggotry? Fuck it, I'll take the infraction.

    Vote Pirate 2010.
  15. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    No government tells people about an election date until the last minute, dumbass.
  16. Timmibal Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    I'm not only talking about the date...

    ...Knobgobbler. ;)
  17. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    The US government does.
  18. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    I don't think you can be infracted for partisanfaggotry if you're talking about Aussie politics. Not enough people give a shit.
  19. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    probably only australians. funny that.
  20. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    The United States presidential election of 2012 is the next United States presidential election, to be held on Tuesday, November 6, 2012,
  21. El Diablo Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Oh wow this is gonna be hilarious.

    Tony Abbott is the least electable of the lot of 'em. His appearances on Q & A were like "omgosh I'm bembarassed for you!"... comes across as slimy and slightly reptilian - most of all when he says something - anything, really! :p

    Also, with his sticky-out ears! You know how many political cartoonists are poppin' open bottles of champagne right now? Oh they're gonna be so happy. :D
  22. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    JUST IN TIME FOR THE END OF THE WORLD
  23. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    I don't think even the Liberal Party are that much into foot-bullets that they'd force a double dissolution - they'd get a pasting.

    And I agree that Nic X would feel pretty comfortable with his chances of being re-elected should the Liberals do an OSA.

    He has a lot of popular support and really, Oz politicians can say and do all sorts of stuff that would a pollie elsewhere canned but in OZ makes them more popular.

    Former PM Bob Hawke (one-time holder of the world record for fastest beer drinking from a yardglass) went on prime-time TV blubbering painfully about how he'd cheated on his wife and he got a huge jump in voter approval.

    Political rules here are very different from the rest of the world - we LOVE politicians who are careless with morality.
  24. Belladonna Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Wrong. From what I understand, this occurred over climate change. The world is paying attention to this.
  25. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Yeah, I was making a joke about Australia being small and irrelevant. Try and keep up.
  26. _You_ Member

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    facefuckingpalm.
  27. ScudMuffin Member

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    As far as I can see from this, the only election coming around is over leadership of the main opposition party. Aside from that I can't see any other election happening.
  28. El Diablo Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Double dissolution election is on the cards 'cause of the CPRS (Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme) bill...which was defeated in the senate, like in the last hour.

    Senate kills off emissions trade laws - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Also, parliament is over for 2009. Senate is back on the 2nd of February, 2010 at 12:30pm. Until then, I'll miss it. :(
  29. ScudMuffin Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Looking at the link for DD, I have to wonder if Kev fancies his chances of re-election and if the risk is worth it. Not just Xeno who we have to see get back in, it's also the balance of the parliment.
  30. El Diablo Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Yeah, I do tend to think the bad track record for governments going to early elections would be weighing on K. Rudd's mind when considering this. Even though I doubt they would lose government altogether, but they might lose seats.

    Julia Gillard, speaking on news radio right now. Saying that Rudd has always intended to go full term, but ALSO that they are determined to see this legislation pass. Oh and that she won't speculate on a double dissolution election. This could be interesting!

    Edit: Looks like (for the time being) they'll re-introduce the bill as negotiated between them and the Libs, when parliament reconvenes next year. So so far, seems that a double-dissolution election won't occur. Could be interesting if it's rejected a third time. I guess it'll depend on the policy position taken by the Liberal party under Abbott.
  31. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    They don't count.
  32. TinyDancer Member

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    Big and irrelevant.
  33. Timmibal Member

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    Abbott won't pass the CPRS in its current form. Labour's going to have to basically agree to a shittonne of amendments or re-write the fucker before he'll even give it a look.

    Thing is, I agree with him. Whatever your position on Anthropogenic Climate Change, fact is, the CPRS in its current form will cost hundreds, if not thousands of jobs with massive cost flow-on effect, with fuck all effect on global emissions.

    $5 says Ruddkipz rewrites it after Copenhagen anyway. God knows it was just a diplomatic cock extension for him in the first place.
  34. El Diablo Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    ^^^

    I think the job-loss situation is vastly overstated. That being said, I would have liked to see them negotiate with the greens and independents rather than the libs - however, Fielding really puts a spanner in the works of that plan. I wish I knew more about the Access Economics alternative ETS (comissioned by Xenophon and the libs).

    Personally, I don't think a decent scheme can be negotiated unless there makeup of the Senate is shaken up. Global solution actually involves a scheme that accelerates the development and commercialisation of alternative energy/fuels and industrial techniques. We need to be thinking about how to make these types of technologies good economic alternatives in developing nations + actually putting the cash behind technology transfers. (I'm thinking African nations, especially those with less than stable governments could benefit greatly from de-centralized energy production). Anyhow, just my two cents. Oh and public transport. Our national rail network isn't even a network. Pretty sure they don't even have the same gauge rail in all states, and there's heaps of trucking things about when rail would be more efficient (from both an emissions, and economic perspective).
  35. Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    I stand corrected.
  36. _You_ Member

  37. ScudMuffin Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    Just out of interest, can't the Bill be forced through? I know in the UK there's legislation to stop the Lords consistently blocking legislation that the Commons votes through, is that not the case here?
  38. _You_ Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    That's what the double dissolution trigger is for. If the Senate doesn't pass a piece of legislation twice (3months apart) then an election can be called. If the Senate still doesn't pass it after the election, there can be a joint sitting of both houses of Parliament where the vote includes everyone in the House of Reps and the Senate together.
  39. Anon123456 Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    hey guys so , how does it look? i havent been following the thread. could i get maybe a summary.



    inb4 lurk moar.
  40. TinyDancer Member

    Re: Australian Snap Election: Might this impact Senator X?

    It's only 39 posts. My summary is: lurk moar.

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