Assault - Nashville: Part 2 (April 25 2009)

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Whoever it was has been PWNED.

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This showed up on the Wog blog too. Interesting thing is that identical comment appears in both the comments on ATS and the Wog blog.

Troll? y/n?

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I thmell [STRIKE]puthie[/STRIKE] troll.

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We all do what we want but we need to bring back more phase 3!

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WOW

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Holy crap D:

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"Protesting is an art form." -- LRH, straight from the cult policy playbook.

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What's phase 3?

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Hey Gais,

I just thought you'd be really relieved to know that Scientology and Youth for Human Rights International are fighting for YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS!








So, RELAX! Something CAN be done about it!

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Has anyone else found the lulz in the cult that gave birth to the Youth for Human Rights International being taken down, in no small part, by youths for human rights internationally and doing something about it? I squee a bit every time I think about it that way. Then I watch pr0n to make me feel manly again.

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lulz was found!

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the attacks the fun, the non moral fag shit. however... I believe in non violence. and step up internet attacks. i know there are other "chans" for this but just sayin niggas.

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This one?

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That one!

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god the irony of this video...ugh.

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It comes after Phase 2.
Sorry I couldn't resist

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Look what I found:

62-35-127. Prohibited law enforcement representations on badges, insignias, vehicles or
equipment. —
No person, while performing any function of a security guard and patrol service, shall:

(1) Wear or display any badge, insignia, shield, patch or pattern which:

(A) Indicates or tends to indicate that such person is a sworn peace officer;

(B) Contains or includes the word “police” or the equivalent thereof; or

(C) Is similar in wording to any law enforcement agency in this state; or

(2) Have or utilize any vehicle or equipment which:

(A) Displays the words “police,” “law enforcement officer,” or the equivalent thereof; or

(B) Has any sign, shield, accessory or insignia that may indicate that such vehicle or equipment belongs to a public law enforcement agency.

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You're awesome.

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This doesn't apply IF they were off-duty police. Otherwise a lot of off duty police are in some serious violation of the law, and everyone I know who works/hires security is ignorant of said law. If I'm not totally wrong, the witnessing security officer had to be off duty to sign the citation, so there was at least one off duty involved + the prosecuting officer who didn't witness what went down. The others tho'..I think we'll have to wait and see what their status is.

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Let's see what the AG had to say in 2000....

All protesters in Tennessee should read this:

http://www.tfaonline.org/AG/op00-166.pdf

(and check to see if the AG has changed his mind since then)
The law talks about insignia or badge..but I would argue that having the word POLICE on a shirt is enough to make lawful protesters frightened that the person screaming at them and displaying a gun is an on duty police officer.

Make a call to the AG's office and ask if an off duty cop working as a security guard is allowed to wear a shirt on it that says POLICE but doesn't have any insignia on it...and what about that dude that had a shirt with some kind of insignia. What was it?


So an out of control power trippin' bitch wearing a shirt that says "police" screaming... Take those masks off or we will do it for you...was holding herself out to be a police officer and frightening lawful protesters...and committing assault (criminal assault is no different than battery in Tennessee so maybe that would should be... she was committing battery.)



Was the man yelling about baloney wearing the "Police" shirt?

Was any of that gear "official" gear they wear when on duty?

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Holy crap, good find.

Okay, so just speculating here but if they were metro hired to police the event (that's required for some special events) then they would have been wearing metro uniforms. I'm familiar with metro uniforms, and those weren't it. If they're private security, then according to this source EVEN IF they were off duty, they aren't permitted to represent themselves as police. Either way it goes, someone's screwed up royally.

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I'm guessing you've read Rummychick's post and this as well?
http://www.tfaonline.org/AG/op00-166.pdf

So yes, unless this decision has been overturned, according to this, they were indeed breaking the law.

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All four of the guards that accosted us were wearing black shirts with POLICE in great big white letters on the back.

Regardless of their status as off duty officers or hired security this is clearly illegal according to Tenn. Code Ann. §62-35-128.

Good find btw, Rummyhick, thanks for helping.

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Yes. They Identified themselves as police.

Ain't no 'splaining it away.

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it looks to me justice will be served

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It shall be so!

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THATS^ is a whole 'nother ball game, lets hope so.

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BTW anyone know how close 44 is to the $700 or so, i forgot the specific number?
i can donate via paypal if it is necessary.

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$326.50 of $750.

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Not so fast..the law talks about badges and insignias. The question is does the law cover just the word POLICE on a shirt.

In the heat of being screamed at and threatened it is very likely that a confused victim is going to think they are police because of that shirt BUT does it rise to the level of breaking that particular law.

Give a call to the AG office and see what they say.

Can just a word printed on a shirt be construed as an insignia. I would argue YES but it might not according to that law. It probably doesn't define insignia but you might look further to see if the code lists it anywhere.


Here is a definition of insignia on one of the online dictionary sites:

. Typical and characteristic marks or signs, by which anything is known or distinguished; as, the insignia of a trade.

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Atleast one of the black shirts had a shield on his right shoulder, outlined in gold, with an emblem on it, and he was mixed with the others wearing "POLICE" shirts. He was also armed, etc

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That emblem was embroidered. Just FYI.

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Absolutely "POLICE" is an insignia/brand, it represent legal authority granted by some level of gov't.

Part of the concept it that: during a fast moving situation a citizen would not be confused as to the true authority of the security guard.

In the video; you can clearly hear Nashanons being confused as to the actual authority of the officers. This is why they cannot wear police gear as private security. Yet it is my guess that 4/4 security officers wearing "POLICE" is no accident and they intended on benefiting from the brand.

Sux to be them.

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there were actually 5 security guards. 2 ran across the street, and 3 came from down the sidewalk. One femguard yelled at us femanons, 3 guards on 44... what was the last guy doing..?

o_o

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It had already been established in my first post that they could not use the word police, the document you found further states

Therefore, it is the opinion of this office that although state law does not preclude law enforcement
personnel from engaging in private employment as a security guard with a contract security company, the
officer may not represent himself/ herself as a law enforcement officer while engaged in such private
employment.
2. A law enforcement officer working for a contract security company may not identify
himself/herself as a law enforcement officer through a non-departmental issued police-style uniform. Tenn.
Code Ann. §62-35-127 expressly prohibits any person, while performing the function of a security guard
for a contract security company, from wearing or displaying any badge, insignia, shield, patch or pattern
which indicates or tends to indicate that such person is a sworn peace officer, contains the word “police”
or its equivalent, or is similar in wording to any law enforcement agency in this state.

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The intent of the law is very very clear - the local media would have a field day if they tried that argument.

Alternatively, is a shirt 'equipment'?

and there was that cop car sitting there, and yet the 30 minute wait for the cops to arrive - but I'm sure the off-duty-cop security guards wouldn't have anything to do with that vehicle, cos that'd be illegal...

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Not as clear cut as that but I won't reveal why since I don't want to give the other side any ideas. Strongly suggest contacting the AG office and talking with them. You can reference the opinion written by their office when asking questions about that SPECIFIC law or ANY OTHERS THAT MIGHT APPLY.

Also, try to find a clear enlarged picture of that emblem that was affixed to the shirt of one of the guards.

Also were they using their service weapons? These questions start to get into the color of law topic which I guess was put on another thread.

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You only have two choices under this law. Definition of "insignia" or "pattern" . Given the other words in that section I can give you a very persuasive argument for it not including a word printed on a shirt. I can give you a persuasive argument for it to include a word printed on a shirt.

The opinion of the AG is just an opinion. Case law will be more persuasive . Don't fall for the trap that you think you have the right answer and the Jury will fall your way.

You have to look at all sides.

Find some case law on the topic.

A different issue than that particular law but one that is relevant:

Off-Duty

Off-duty police officer who invokes the real or apparent authority of the police department, or who engages in activity prescribed generally for police officers, may be acting "under color of law."

United States v. Tarpley, 945 F.2d 806 (5th Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 112 S.Ct. 1960 (1992).