Assault - Nashville: Part 2 (April 25 2009)

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Suggest NOT taking it into any random "comp shop".
Suggest strongly not.

Either- take it to an Anon who is reasonably competent with these things
or take it to a "data recovery" specialist. The latter will (possibly) charge large amounts of moneys, depending only how badly hosed the card/camera may be.

It is highly likely that a drone from your typical "compooter repearz" shop will ruin any chance of recovering your data, due to incompetence.

A Data Recovery shop are less likely to screw things up further.

A local anon who's familiar with this of tech should be able to make a fair evaluation; and possibly recovery your pictures safely.

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We already have a mountain of shit against them established, we're just taking dumps ontop of it. Even if most of the little details are ignored eventually, it will help him and his legal defence. Why go in with just 1 possible charge? If he's going for a settlement eventually, those little details can be bartering chips.

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A public forum isn't the place for private legal strategy.

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A relevant agency on the state level:

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation

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We already had some info on this, so it was more or less "known" but:

Public Works has confirmed that there were no permits affecting the sidewalks on the 1000 block of 8th Ave S. , where 44 was arrested for trespass.

Public Works has been told by the individual organizing security and permits for the event that the arrest took place behind the barrier on Olympic and 8th, that 44 had been asked to leave and refused to comply. (Was also told about the mask, incidentally.)

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How about the date of their street closure permit? Did it expire the day before this happened to boot?

This is true, but the hivemind endures and sometimes succeeds in bringing to the table new things that not even the lawyers have thought of yet.

So they're lying with complete knowledge of the video as well as still photographs. Whodathunk it? Leads me to think security is either scilon owned or maintained (with $$).

The blurb in the local news showed that the street closure was for the 24th. Scientology is going to have to learn that they can't change things just because they feel like it. If it's that way, GUESS WHAT I FEEL LIKE, DAVEY!

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So do it in private, faggot, or you'll hurt the effectiveness of your own information.

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I think so.

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Or they just haven't been told by OSA about this thread. I mean, how would you like to be the DSA at Nashville and having to bear the bad news that their little plan to violate the civil rights of peaceful protesters was caught on tape, and now the security guards are all left holding the turd sandwich while COB skips out of state?

OSA lawyers will be reading this thread though, and it might be referred to in a court case as evidence. I haven't seen anything here, though, that would be damaging to you. The only thing was that you discussed the matter a bit with the security guards before you agreed to leave, but since it's been confired that you were outside their area it's not relevant anyway. Victim44 shouldn't post any more details.

As for that memory card: Get it processed by a company which are also certified forensics experts or something, and get the whole process documented. Or just keep it write protected and left alone. I think the TBI, FBI or the local police would prefer to have the original media entered into evidence if they are going to prosecute the security guards. If the other pictures on the card are just "nice to have", then leave 'em be until later.

More information you should have: There seems there was a police car and a police officer present inside the sidewalk closure. You should find out which officers those are and maybe call them as witnesses, or get them interviewed or deposed.

Just my opinion.

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The date is unimportant. Important thing is that you can't trespass on public property, and the sidewalk at 1023 8th Ave South was public property on the 25th.

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^^^^This^^^^

We never made any further than that. I know. I was there.

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The date is unimportant to the assault case, yes, but if they closed down a street without a legal permit for the day that is both epic fail and possibly subject to a fine from the city.

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Public Works is treating it as though the error was their own, and not the filer's so I suspect that is the case. If PW isn't concerned about it, there will be no fine.

I spoke with PW. They are not concerned about the date on the permit at all, and did not want offered photographic evidence of the closures.

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But they did speak with the security company and get their version of events?

Very odd.

brb tinfoil

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Please don't. I think there's been enough tinfoil in this to raise Reynold's stocks through the roof.

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Ok. Silver is not a great color for me and anyway I look terrible in hats.

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Yes, they did. The rep I spoke to WAS concerned about someone being arrested in areas that were not closed. I think the PW representative has now shied away from it after the mask detail and probably some biased or incomplete information that they got from the organizer.

The organizer likely does not have accurate information either. That is, of course, just my speculation based on the representative's response today vs their response yesterday.

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Tennessee Department of Commerce and Insurance is over the security guard licensing.

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Nashville anons are pursuing this with them too, btw.

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This ^^^

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Was David Miscabbage at this event and did you see him? Our division has been trying for months to get him rfid tagged but we can't get anyone near the fucker, he is too slippery.

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K enough about you lets talk about me.

No seriously could you tell which group of sci came up from atl and would you mine letting me know if they looked depressed and sad cause we are doing such a darn good job here?

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I wonder - has Public Works been referred to the photographic evidence proving that:
a) the individual organising security and permits lied; and
b) the organisation obtaining the permits misused the privilege?

Public Works may wish to reconsider granting permits in respect of that organisation.

Edit: I see that rep spoken to wasn't interested. Still, a formal letter putting the dept on notice...

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The wrong date published might have been cause for suing the city, but since the assault/kidnap took place outside the area, then it doesn't matter much, and they'll have disclaimers etc anyway.

It is, however, a good idea to get a sort of freedom of information request in for the original application forms or the computer-submitted data. You'll want that information anyway because it will corroborate what was published online, what the PWD said to you, and what you observed at the scene.

Are any nashanons in contact with the TBI or FBI? (Don't answer that if it compromises anything - just being curious here.)

F5F5F5

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Maybe we can get news coverage on this incident and then Public Works will be forced to reconsider due to the power of public opinion.

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Additionally, there's more than a few right wing radio and TV talk show hosts that would probably love to sink their teeth in to this story.

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I'm not entirely sure I want to sick people like Phil Valentine on a government agency. People like him are how the capitol building got vandalized during the income tax debate. I'm not too keen on the kind of zealotry that follows people like him.

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If the goons were off-duty PD (threads are way the fuck too TL;DR to search it down) I'd imagine lefties might want a piece, too. Off-duty or not, police brutality is police brutality.

/Politicfagging

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If the opportunity comes up to raise the question again diplomatically with PW, then I will. I'm sure others working on this will too. It will definitely be brought up at any public permit meetings re co$.

So far, all they have is the word of a concerned citizen and the word of the head of security for that company...who would you believe? When the video is seen by the public, records are subpoenaed etc, that might raise some concern where there is none now.

I don't think it would benefit anyone here to beat on that issue with public works right now, so I'm not. So far, they have been nothing but helpful, and have remained pretty much neutral and courteous. We may require permits in the future, and I'm sure we'd all like to have a good relationship with PW then.

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this is a good idea....just in case there were any alterations after the fact

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Who says they know about the video? I can be a ninja.

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ninjas r kewl.

I can't wait for more updates. I'm all excited that you guys are gonna hand them their asses on a platter. >X)

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Has anyone considered contacting the ACLU for advice? There definitely seems to have been some civil rights violations here. They have helped out chanology in the past, including successfully defending against an injunction brought by Scientology against the Clearwater protests back in March.

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Okay, this is the first time I've heard about all this (Slowpoke or not, it seems to have stayed completely in this section of the forum). I'm just itching to see the video, but I know you're going to wait, and it's probably best, because Scilons will claim that you edited the video, and you can have a lawyer confirm that you did not.

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No, that's not why the video isn't posted. The video is kept from being posted in order to keep the assailants in the dark about how much evidence the investigators have until after they can be interviewed or deposed.
Also, too many details published widely might unduly influence the jury pool - if it ever makes it to trial.

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I've heard that he was, but I couldn't get close enough to the VIP tent to make sure. And with the events that happened, I bailed before the actual ceremony started.

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Actually, I'm not sure if ATL was there, I didn't see any ATL tags on anyone, in fact the only ones I KNOW for sure were there was Chicago, Dallas, and Buffalo, they were all clearly marked with insignia repping their cities.

And one of the conversations I overheard was about the Chicago area.

~The Muffin Man

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^^^THIS.

On a related note, I don't want any specific information regarding the condition of Victim44 or anything that could damage legal, but I wish him, Elby, Juche, Lucha, Zonker, and Epic Infiltrator Guy (and anyone else I misspelled or forgot) well.

Oh, and to the guy who said it is impossible to trespass on public property, like the sidewalk where Victim44 became a victim of a violent crime (letting legalfags decide which laws were broken), excellent point.

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^^Except if it's rented out, of course - which is wasn't.

(Damn, going in circles here aren't we.)