Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece Gerry Armstrong's story about his life in/with scientology was one of the first that I read in full several years ago, and it still hurts to read it now. He's written a letter to Mr. Rathbun about the IRS in response to the St. Pete Times piece: Letter to Mark Rathbun re black PR to the IRS : Scientology v. Armstrong
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I hope that Mark Rathbun honestly answers Gerry's request. Actually, I think Mark has incurred an obligation to Gerry by feeding false statements to the IRS.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece Well, he did get this part right.... But he really is upset about the black PR... the "lolwut" goes to Rathbun admitting they said all this shit to the IRS. CSI Produced 11-4-93 Code: In a late 1984 police-authorized video tape surveillance, Armstrong -- a Sullivan ally who had made several attempts to join the GO's intelligence office -- was recorded plotting a take-over of the Church. The plan included planting phony documents that would then be seized in a CID raid, the filing of a new lawsuit by Flynn which was designed to wrest control of the Church from its legitimate leaders and to set up the sexual compromise and blackmail of a senior Scientologist.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I cannot imagine why Rathbun hasn't done this already. Tell the truth already! Is it that hard? Wouldn't someone offering spiritual guidance to others know that telling the truth would certainly be a key component?
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I think with all this information coming in, and with these reports happening, it's clear that "psychotic" is a very common attack on critics/whistleblowers. Maybe Mark can speak on that too, that is, if he's even noticed how redundant it is.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I am a huge fan of Gerry's and I think that organized scientology owes him a great deal to even begin to make up for over 2 1/2 decades of fair game to try to destroy Gerry. I really admire how Gerry just will not go away and fights back in any way he can to get out the truth and try to protect himself and loved ones. I too hope that if there is anything Marty can do to help that he will do so. Despite much that has been pointed out to date giving many concerns about Marty, I have a feeling that he is going to surprise a lot of people and do a lot of good in exposing not only the dwarf but much of the dark side of organized scientology. Before Marty went to work directly for Miscavige, he worked for me. I knew him then to not only be a very hard worker but also a very decent person who was not abusive of others. I suspect that he greatly regrets any abuses he got involved with in his last years there. While I have no clue what "illegal" things he may or may not have been involved with after I left the scene, I hold out great hope that he will indeed help expose and bring to an end many of the abuses of which we fight. My gut tells me Marty is trying to do that now and that we have not seen anything yet. I may be wrong here but, like most, I have an opinion. And my opinion is that despite what many others feel, I do not believe that Marty has any intention to take over and run organized scientology. I guess we will see. But I think time will show many people come forward to expose the lies and abuses, and many alliances in doing so, that are going to be a surprise. Who knows? No one. But I do love to make a prediction now and again, lol, and my prediction here is there is much more to come from Marty that will result in much good done.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece It is human nature to deny personal responsibility for acts we find shameful, or evil...ones that don't fit in with our self-image. Reconciling who you think you are with acts that say you're someone entirely different is hard as hell. Understandable that the process can take time, if it happens at all. Nevertheless I agree that offering 'spiritual guidance' to people while remaining in denial of your own faults, and avoiding confrontation with your past is cowardly and hypocritical. If you can't help yourself..hell, if you can't even begin to accept the reality of who you are(even when it's painful), then you have no right to 'help' others do it.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece i doubt that Rathbun will comply. After all, his motivations are to the least, unclear. I think his incentives are to replace DM, and he's still believing in the tech, which promotes lying.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I hope you're right Larry. Thanks for your insight.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece Larry, I have a lot of respect for you and I believe that your gut feelings are as good as anybody's. But based on the circumstances that at least seem to connect you thru some chain communication with Marty I got to ask. (you of course don't have to answer) Is that gut feeling because of something you heard him say since he has left ? Are you talking about the CoS ? And would that include some other type of offshoot group ? The mystery sandwich was delicious, now can you tell us why you think that ? Help me out here I feel like I am going to a fortune teller " it could happen but I don't know, and neither does anyone else". There certainly has to be a reason that you took the time to type it.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece from Caroline : Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - The Admissions of Mark C. Rathbun
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece This is a catch 22 for Marty. If he was to come forward and admit that Gerry is not a nut, well that would mean whatever the IRS was asking about Gerry is a lie. I can only speculate what the IRS was asking about, but from what we know of Gerry's story it would have a lot to do with L. Ron being a complete fraud,lying, stealing, cheating, con man and that Scientology was made over into a religion to get said tax exemption. I hope Larry is right with his feeling that Marty isn't trying to take over CoS but I have serious doubts just from what I have read over at his blog (btw, not open to the public anymore). He is still auditing people, he still believes the tech is good, he still believes LRH. I'm not sure his beliefs would be able to handle the truth. Gerry, keep fighting the good fight.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I will say that it makes me wonder if Marty is only looking out for potential customers that only speak out against DM and if he is willing to go the extra mile for people who have spoken out against LRH like Gerry. I seriously doubt that him taking over the CoS could be a reality, but who knows if he realizes that.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece Hey There MrFyde I wrote that post for two reasons: 1) to show my support for Gerry, who I consider a personal friend; and 2) to give my opinion that Marty will be doing more good in exposing and dealing with abuses than I think many feel will be the case. I think it's going to be a huge job to truly expose Miscavige and organized scientology for what they are AND actually do something constructive about it. Thus I would rather not trash what can be a very good resource for helping do this if I feel there is hope that the person will really help. Simply put, I think Marty can be such a resource and has already begun to be one. I myself have had to dig my way out of the mind f _ _ k that is organized scientology and did it in layers (to whatever degree I have it together). And I have seen that happen with many others in different ways and I feel I see that happening with Marty as well. Heck some of those people who spoke out in the SP Times have been helping back door and otherwise for some time and working their way to the point where they could speak out. One I spoke with over two years ago who then shared amazing info on abuses with a major author who should be publishing soon. Just because the public first sees it in the SP Times does not mean that is the only thing happening with that person or with that information. Anyway, I have seen Marty when I knew him to be a very good person so I know he has that potential. Whereas, from day one that I knew David Miscavige, he was always vindictive, spoiled, abusive and the like. I supported Miscavige then only because he had Hubbard's support. THAT was a big mistake but, whatever, it's in the past. I personally hold out zero hope of Miscavige ever coming clean and trying to make up for wrongs. I do hold that hope for Marty. (Not that I am some angel who should judge others anyway). I may be wrong but I suspect that in the next couple of months we will see if I was right in my initial post. I base everything in my above post on information and belief. Time will tell. Oh and BTW, if I only agreed to work with people with whom I had 100% agreement, I would be very lonely Anyone who can lrn2google knows my views on scientology as a "technology" or on Hubbard.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I'm beginning to feel like RAAAAAAAAGEEEE towards Rathburn...
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece critic (never a scilon)= religious bigot critic (ex-scilon) = psychotic Moral of the story, stay away from scientology folks it makes you psychotic.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece thanks for responding Larry, In the last 9 months that Anon has known that Marty was "back in play" very little has been confirmed about him. One of the few things that has eased my mind has been that you are there as a role model. (have I gone far enough to not sound hostile yet ?) But to me Marty has acted exactly the same as Scientology. Bad mouthing the other side and refusing to communicate (the universal solvent) with outsiders. You and all of the ex's must realize that the manipulation of being told "big things are happening, and are about to be announced" is one of the things that is used to manipulate people and disguise a true agenda. I really wonder how important it is that these things must be hidden behind a mystique. As far as we know he is still the guy that stood by the tech that lead a man to shoot his own wife who was sitting right next to Marty. He also is encouraging others to follow that same tech. He is the same guy that browbeat a member of this board that lead to the bankruptcy of another member of this board. Reassurance and gut feelings from you and a few others is all we know about him. We have no idea what Marty's state of mental health is or his grasp of reality, you admitting that at least your experiences where a "mind f__k" must realize that can be a concern. I started off by saying I have respect for you but you yourself just the other day said you did not like to take the word of others on the internet you like to find out for yourself, I hope you don't mind that I take your advice when it comes to Marty.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece Completely agreed The only thing that for sure is true about my opinions is that I believe them to be true. And I may well be wrong. Time will certainly tell.
Re: Armstrong Letter to Mark Rathbun re St. Pete Times piece I sincerely hope Rathburn comes around sooner rather than later. Gerry has been fighting this fight for a long time now. He deserves vindication and peace, and Rathburn could help give it to him if he wasn't so intent on drawing a line in the sand between Hubbard's Co$ and Miscavidges.
