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ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8 NVA)

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  1. anonymusicz Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    So, to get on topic, when can we expect those scans of the curricula, and would it be possible to get the ethics officer's hatting manual for the school?
  2. aNONanon Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    For gods sakes ... who banned antiscietology and why??

    Can't you just comprehend there are people who are not educated about Scientology, Study Tech and so on ... it was fucking designed to make sense at first glance! This all acusing people of being OSA, handler, PR person or whatever is so stupid it screams ... many people here are becoming so narrow-minded as cultists you oppose and sooner you realize this the better ... yes I'm looking at you, you paranoid freak.

    I'm almost completely convinced that antiscientology is just butthurt fan who can't admit his superstar Woll Smoth may be a sci or supporting sci, doesn't know how things work here or our jargon. That doesn't mean he is OSA handler or PR man of Woll, so when person like this comes by reffer him to relevant dox, educate him about using search function and google and when somebody is making unfounded claims he is supposed to say "DOX OR STFU", "PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN".

    antiscientology made actually good points, some skepticism would be like fresh air here because all I see recently is all paranoia and faggotry (except few exceptions of course)

    tl;dr How are you hoping to attract people when you basicaly tell them to GTFO after 10 posts made?
  3. cubby Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    aNONanon, when people make posts like this i don't think we have a case of uneducated.

    we have a troll


    TECH = BAD
  4. OSAHase Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    stfu kthx - lets all stay on the target. We have messed with this bs long enough if u ask me. Only my opinion.

    QFT
  5. Flynn Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Looks like Will thinks he can squirrel sum usefulness out of LRH's schitzo-scribble.

    Hope the kids don't have to go back and learn grade 3 fundamentals at a remedial school when they're grown up.

    Take off the rose colored glasses Will, Tom is a fanatic lunatic. Everybody else sees it. Geez dude!
  6. Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Hmm... Kinda weird that the reason for my banning him didn't show up. But for full disclosure, this is why he's banned: I read all his posts (LOL "Find all posts buy user") and smelled troll. No really, I /r/ you all use that feature and notice the outright combative and trolly nature of all his posts. If I were to move all his posts to the Dome, I could tell he would just shit up the rest of the forums. Not worth the effort to clean up after him.

    Oh and Ooanonymous clause. Rabid fan, no actual intelligent contribution.

    With that, good morning to you all.
  7. aNONanon Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    WTF? What's so unreasonable about that if you have no idea that Study Tech is just front group of sci and used excusively by scientologists? CoS is trying to make it appear like it is separate and they are fucking successful on unsuspecting public, you have to realize that! The post makes perfect sense if he is uneducated on the matters ... maybe someone should have a talk with him on separate thread, I would be more than happy to debate it ... but now he is banned.
  8. Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Srry, aNONanon, that was a troll.

    No willingness to discuss Study Tech, just what a great guy Big Willie is.

    What can you do when you refer someone to the Dox and they attack instead of going to read em? Dox were refered. There was no way the troll read them given the response time.

    Big hearted and trusting is great and all, but there was no communication happening there.

    Will likes the Ideology, not the Teachings?

    I mean....WTF!?!?!?!?
  9. MarcabEmpress Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    re scans of curriculum: a previously mentioned there are over 200 pages double sided. That is going to take time, and some of us have these things called jobs, kids, etc. If you want to rent us a high speed scanner here in SoCal, we'll happily accept it. Until then STFU.
    Re: Heron materials: Please note that the entire NVA website has not been updated (still says school's first day is Sept 3, which it wasn't).

    SoCal are not sitting around going "oh goodie, let's have caek, our work here is done" This meeting was an opening, not the end credit roll.
  10. aNONanon Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    You label everyone who has another opinion than you or is not educated on the matters as troll? Not everything that fuels disccussion is trolling ...

    Uhm, I had the impression that this thread is about Will Smith and his affiliation with CoS ... and s/he made quite a few comments on study tech ... also acknowledged what s/he tought were good posts.

    Yeah clearly dox weren't read ... so warning that posting in this thread without dox being already read would cost him ban would be aproperiate, why ban him/her all of a sudden?

    I hate to derail this thread but this is really important methinks ... I was noticing this behavior long ago and it is bugging me more and more ...
  11. Plups Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    empress, as you're here, I'll just request again that what we need to see is the curriculum for the training of the "ethics teachers" - those trained to work with ethics and children.

    Thanks.

    edit: Also, I'm with aNONanon. Banning was bad.
  12. Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Erm, how often do I call people trollz? I'm not...er...well...some folks.

    I don't disagree with you that warning may have been warranted.

    However, refusal to recognize or read docs does not weigh heavily in favor.
  13. anonymusicz Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Wasn't railing on you saying that they should be up by now, I wasn just wondering when they could be expected.

    Most offices have duplexing scanners (Xerox office machines, etc)... Just an estimate. And is it possible to obtain the Ethics Officer Hatting manual for the school? If the hatting manual exists, then that's a good sign of bullshit coming from the school. If we can't get it, then more than likely they will still be employing the use of KR's (Gestapo techniques for indoctrination).
  14. Sci No Moar Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    I was the director of public contact for a class V org and it was basically my job to out and get new people into the org. As a part of my training I had to do drills on how to handle people who were antagonistic to scientology since I was bound to run into them. One of the ways we were taught to handle people who were critical of dianetics was to ask "Have you ever read it?" This was supposed to handle the third party information they had. Anytime anyone says this in a scientology discussion it raises a HUGE red flag and sets off alarm bells for me. I would tend to think that person was either a current or ex-scilon.
  15. subgenius Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Why does Will Smith think he's an expert on education?
    Oh yeah:
    Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
    Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
    Justin Kruger and David Dunning
    Cornell University

    http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

    And shame on the whores who take his money, and then have to take his advice.
  16. 14G0 Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    fix'd
  17. Daywatch Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    STFU

    he was a troll at best

    a PR/Shill plant at worst

    was NOT dissenting opinion
    I have NO ONE on ignore I think it is GAY to ignore anyone EVER no matter how much I hate them it is always good to hear dissent I welcome and champion it

    this poster was a fucking troll and/or a complete moron/shill

    this isn't OCMB/ARS where we circle jerk and pat each other on the back
    we tear each other to pieces daily

    if you can't smell a troll by now get your nose checked

    @Plups your OCMB moralfaggotry is truly getting tiresome
    your voice is just as valid as the next
    it just happens to suck more than most

    BACK ON TOPIC FAGGOTS
  18. MarcabEmpress Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    We are requesting stuff. It has been less than 24 hours since we met with WS. I understand your desires and eagerness and I just want to say that Anonymous gets lots done, just sometimes not overnight. We have kicked serious ass in 8 months, and the last month especially has been massive worldwide.

    I know you are (as am I) champing at the bit for info that will inform our next moves. We are requesting things.
  19. Amoninism Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    this thread doesn't even deserve to be in my cache.
  20. aNONanon Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Yeah ... I agree.
    IMO s/he just came here to make a point that there is no convincing material outhere that his/her (I hate this, I'll assume he is he from nao) hero is a scientologist. You can get easily the impression that people here just assume he is ... many posts are over the top and if he doesn't understands that 50% of posts are just junk (at least I see it that way :colbert:) and you yourself have to make sense of it it's easy to come to that conclusion, so I don't blame him.

    I think that it would be only beneficial to have some new (even opposing) members who would break this tunnel vision which is developing ... many people are loosing sense of reality :massivegrin:

    Edit: That's about enough to say about it, sorry I littered this thread a bit ... I let the hivemind decide :guyfawkes:
  21. cubby Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    good on you srsly

    now for another ten pages of "WILL'S A GOOD GUY, YO, I'M SURE HE MEANS ONLY THE BEST" :awesome:
  22. cubby Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    which isn't really relevant and imo is presented as a distraction to the real topic.
  23. GrogStat Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    He avoided the question. scientology often tries to sell the 'raw meat' on the idea that they can keep their own religion to the raw meat.

    I certainly hope Will Smith or whoever is looking out after him take a good strong look at these people's stories:
    Ex Scientology Kids :: View Forum - Your Story
    ESK - Voices in Unison!
    My story from inside Scientology - Ex Scientologist Message Board

    And their views of Study Tech & Ethic's Teachers:
    Ex Scientology Kids :: View Forum - Scientology Education

    If we are wrong, we are wrong. But if we are right, and they don't take a good solid serious look at the issues being brought up. Not only are they going to fuck over their kids with scientology. They are going to potentially fuck over people's kids.

    I think the school protests should continue for a bit longer. For the parent's sake. Some of them may have been too nervous to take a good serious look at the signs you had up yesterday. The parents need to know what scientology is, what study tech is, & what a Ethics [STRIKE]Officer [/STRIKE]Teacher really is.

    Clue to those who don't know. Ethics in scientology means something VERY different in practice than it does to the rest of the world.
  24. GrogStat Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    BTW - Can anyone find that video of Jesse Prince talking about how he was held in chains?

    I REALLY think Will Smith needs to see that video before his kids end up like Jesse Prince 20 years down the road.

    Modern day slavery ain't fucking funny.
  25. D... Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    I can't believe we are still arguing about whether or not Will Smith is a Scientologist. This is about his "school"- which has strong and clear ties to Scientology regardless of being a "religious" school or not (partly because 99% of Scientology is NOT religion, the other 1% is strongly cultish [like how I throw numbers out there at random, created from nothing? Scientology and Economists have nothing on me] ).

    It's obviously been approved by CoS. You can't use the tech without paying unless you are given the green light. You can't squirrel the tech unless you want to be declared. If it was anybody else, Smith would be an SP and his wife PTS until she were to disconnect. Obviously, all men are equal in Scientology but some are more equal than others- they can do it.

    An ethics officer is a member of Scientology the same way a nun is a member of the church. They are roles specifically designed to enforce and perpetuate the ideals and/or agenda of Scientology. Take for example, going for confession. If you created a school and said that everyone must have confessionals and go to their priest, but then say "No Christianity or religion"- then that would be stupid. Because if you whittle out ALL the religion and ALL the religious implications, you would simply call it "going to the guidance counselor."

    There's only two reasons you would keep the word "ethics officer" and "ethics program." One being the obvious, it has Scientology related material behind it. The second is good PR for Scientology and trying to show off the name to give it legitimacy.

    You can't divorce Study tech from Scientology- it is, at its core, used to train Scientologists. They tell me CCHR has nothing to do with Scientology as well, and I buy that as much as Donald Trump's hair.

    Like chuckbeaty said before, Study tech is a punishment driven tool that is based off of submission just as much, if no more, as it is based off learning. It's not about study tech being a horrible learning tool. It's about the baggage that comes with it. It's the proverbial foot in the door, it stuffs kid's heads with a bastardization of the English language that can ONLY be applied to Scientology. It makes it hard to communicate with other kids, leading to social ostracism and difficulty of learning once they graduate unless you go to Scientology schools. The lingo here on this forum is difficult to understand for other people, but it extra to our vocabulary. There, it replaces it. Then, if their drug learning program is based of Narconon- then the only place they will turn to if they have a problem is Scientology because they are the only ones batshit enough to believe it.

    Truth be told, talking to Will Smith was win for the sake of it being a win. There is no way he is running that school, there is a man behind the curtain. Will Smith may be as intelligent as people give him credit for, but running schools is a highly intensive job, it requires a lot more than a diploma in something or other. It requires years of studying on that specific subject. Touring a few countries and having people talk to you doesn't cut it, administrators of schools are specialized in this. He's no more fit to run a school than I am.

    Personally, I'm more interested in the Director of Learning. Or whoever is really in charge of what's going on. They don't even have to be in the position of top guy. Remember Graham's (I think it was him) speech? They have to be in a position of influence and proximity to the decision making.

    I don't know if I buy the whole thing is an elaborate cover up on somebody's part. But I am suspicious enough and I rather question that accept. *shrug*

    PS. Study Tech comes from the ravings a corrupt madman who failed at everything in life except getting people to follow him unquestionably. The current leader of Scientology is an eight grade drop out with the emotional development of a four year old who thinks punching people in the face is an acceptable reaction to criticism. They are just as qualified to run a school for children as they are running a drug rehab center based off of their psuedoscience bullshit.

    Oh wait.
  26. Plups Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Daywatch, I stick my tongue out in your general direction! :p

    :hc:
  27. anonymusicz Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Hence why many of us were asking for moar dox before that shill popped in and derailed the thread with his "ZOMFG I KNOW WILL SMITH!!"

    Ask yourself, if a person knew Will Smith, what's the likelihood then of them being either a) A PR Person or b) A Scilon Shill?
  28. themadhair Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    ^ That isn't ignorance. Handling tech / star blinders maybe, but not ignorance. It certainly wasn't someone trying to have an honest discussion.

    I personally believe they were a scifag purely on the grounds that they were so apparently familiar with study tech but not its origins or purpose. That just isn't possible and was the first thing to make me take notice. This was before the usual 'reality correction' techniques came into play that confirmed it for me. To illustrate that last point - his debating style was predictable before he utilised it. Seen it happen before and will no doubt see it happen again.

    <on target>
    Looking forward to those scans of the curricula.
  29. Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    You know full well that if his school is successful, even if the amount of "tech" is limited, it will show up in the next big New Years speech by Miscavige as a "Success story" *cue cheesy narrator bragging about how Study Tech has helped, blah blah blah.*

    Also, if Will really is picking and choosing, he is "squirreling the tech". We know what Scientology thinks about that and they will certainly try to interject themselves more, in order that it "stays true to source".

    Since they normally raise a pissing fit for outside/changed 'tech',
    A) Scientology management thinks of the future PR move are are willing to let the alterations slip for the "greater PR good"
    B) Scientology is more involved than Will realizes/revealed.
  30. 14G0 Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Incorrect. He never even applied, he was just offered entry into a pre-engineering program because of his mother's connections.

    Lrn2wiki (then research to make sure they're not full of shit)

    And upon reading wiki, was led to this 2006 Readers Digest article:
    Will Smith Interview: Will's Roots | Your America | Reader's Digest

    Wherein he says:
    An insight into who (and what) we're dealing with here.

    I find this whole thing contradictory. If he's against traditional teaching methods then how is the teacher actually going to reech dese keeds? I can imagine a room of students all quietly reading, flipping through the dictionary for 'misunderstoods' and nothing being discussed/questioned. Gonna have to wait for those curriculum dox. This is getting worse the more I think on it and it was super arsed up to begin with. I'm all for alternative teaching methods but fuck, Study Tech is such a mess.

    tl;dr trufax, speculation, wee todd headness, and cocks
  31. aNONanon Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    OK, here is my proposal ... What if everytime a question comes up which is unrelated to topic at hand, new thread would be made, linked in that post, to discuss that question? This way, threads would have hierachical structure instead of flat, people could debate whatever they want without derailing threads and anybody interested in that question can click away and read it, others would just continue reading ... am I brilliant or what? :hooray:

    Maybe mods could make some special board where this "branches" could go ... in meantime I'm putting it in offtopic: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/10-off-topic/zomfg-i-know-will-smith-28561/
  32. churchlady Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Wow! Lots of posts. That troll freaked me out. I'm glad he/she's gone. Anyway, as our Beloved Marcab Empress says, this is going to take time.

    Instead of having slap fights with each other, how about doing some research into the sources that LRH stole to invent study tech?

    How about looking at some successful private school's websites to get an idea how they compare to NVLA? Look at their mission statement and vision statement and compare.

    brb: grumpy
  33. 14G0 Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Your apology is irrelevant.
    SPEAK or GTFO.

    And if you disagree with the "hivemind" SPEAK MORE AND LOUDER. And if you're trolling make sure to use lots of e-cons to make your point. :hc: :flop: :twisted: :ffs: :text: :guyfawkes: :sad: :colbert: :alien: :nini: :flowers: :roll: :cake2:
  34. Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Yes pl0x. Copies of curriculum and even lesson plans will be helpful. I know enough educators and I can use my own training to evaluate these things.
  35. iaxiloll Member

  36. nevadatan Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Is this thread about docking yet? Because, if not, it should be.
  37. 14G0 Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    No, now it's about spoons.

    [IMG]
  38. cubby Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    spoons.jpg
  39. D... Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    Holy shit!
  40. cubby Member

    Re: ANONYMOUS MEETS with WILL SMITH HIMSELF - WS Justifies Study Tech (Result of 9/8

    MOAR SPOONS!

    [IMG]
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