Alexander Jentzsch, son of Heber has died.

Discussion in 'Media' started by 1957, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. 1957 Member

  2. timthephoto Member

    DM et al behaving in the sickening manner we've all become accustomed to. . the article communicates poor Karen's distress, i can't imagine how she must feel, this makes me sick.
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  3. Anonymous Member

    THIS IS WHY!!!!!
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  4. exOT8Michael Member

    Absolutely awful.
    Wrongful death hits us sooo hard. OMG Karen I am so sorry to hear of this.
    May justice be done. This is the worst...
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Alexander Jentzsch

    … and Office of Special Affairs
    Heber and I had a son in 1984 — Alexander Jentzsch. He was born and raised in the Sea Org.
    When Alexander was 11 years old (he had left the SO with me in 1990 when he was 6 and had then been regged to return to the SO when he was 10), Heber and I were both located in Los Angeles and Alexander was at Flag. He was being used as a child slave laborer at the Fort Harrison, with no schooling or study time – instead cleaning toilets and floors in the Fort Harrison lobby 10-12 hours a day. I called OSA multiple times to tell them this violated the laws of the land. Finally I threatened that if it was not handled I would fly to Clearwater and extract him myself. OSA put him on a plane to Los Angeles within 24 hours.
    Alexander was born in Scientology and knows nothing else. The culture is deeply embedded in him.
    Fast forward to 3 years ago. Alexander is now married and his wife Andrea is pregnant. Pressure is brought to bear for an abortion. It is done skillfully – no heavy threats, but both are both taken off post and made to look at “the greatest good”. The message was loud and clear. Alexander called me multiple times a day as this goes down. All of the while his father, Heber, is uncontactable in lockdown in Miscavige’s Hole. In the end, Andrea had an abortion and they were returned to post. But she never gets over it and feels she has committed an overt of magnitude.
    3 years later she is pregnant again. She really does want to be a mom. But now, times have changed. Claire and Mark Headley and Laura Decrescenzo’s lawsuits, media and the internet have caused the Church to re-think their enforced abortion policy.
    This time Alexander and Andrea are routed out with ” love”. Kirsten Caetano, in charge of External Security at OSA, befriends Alexander in an unnatural, unheard of way. She arranges for his apartment rent to be paid. Helps arrange and approves him working for a Scientologist owned company at a very high wage, and gives him lots of sympathy and compassion. She strokes his feathers every way she can. He is given $3500 after he signs a bunch of documents on video. God knows he signed his life away, though of course the documents are worthless and Alexander was not given a copy of what he signed.
    Psych Ops
    I keep hearing from Alexander how WONDERFUL Kirsten is. She gives him all her phone numbers: berthing, cell and work, and she is just a click away on email. Ahhhhhhhh. Feel the love….
    Then Marty and Mike posted the blog on Heber ( Alexandar has a huge ongoing upset that Heber has not seen him in 6 YEARS. Even though he is a dedicated Sea Org member and can put up with a lot “for the cause”, it makes no sense to him (it shouldn’t) that he cannot see or talk to his father. It is a BIG button. Heber was born on October 30th 1935. He is 75 years old. And he is incarcerated at Int Base and he has been for years. Miscavige has not permitted any family time for Heber to see Alexander.
    But the magic of Marty’s blog. Within 36 hours of that posting, Heber comes down to Los Angeles and spends 8 hours with Alexander for the first time in 6 years. Heber has a cell phone number he gives Alexander and promises to attend a family re-union of his brothers and sisters in August with Alexander.
    Wow, what a change! Thanks Marty and Mike!
    Scroll forward to a few days ago. I ask Alexander if he wished Heber “Happy Father’s Day”. He said he had called but could not get through. Heber no longer has a cell phone. And when he calls Alexander back he informs him that he will not be going to the family reunion, but will see Alexander next… at Christmas!!
    I am outraged and try to communicate about this but Alexander shuts me down. I feel Kirsten’s presence in the comm cycle. How dare I question authority or hint that there may be something wrong in the world of Miscavige! The Thought Police scrambled into action.
    Last night, Alexander was directed by his OSA handlers to guide me to an entheta site on line (entheta about Marty, Mike and even me). He actually tried to get me to read entheta about myself!! I will not tolerate my son being manipulated against me and when he began screaming at me to “get my shit squared away with OSA or lose him as a son,” I knew that the body snatchers had him firmly in their grasp. For any that think I am in error airing private mother/son stuff on the web, the scene of the church infiltrating and turning my son against me is something that must be exposed.
    Mike Rinder went through this when 7 people assaulted him in that parking lot. His own daughter, Taryn, was screaming at him for being an SP.
    The internet backlash as a result was enormous. People found the behavior of the C of M appalling and horrifying. But, the leopard cannot change his spots. Just another OSA op. Seems the latest ploy is a new twist on “family leverage” that would make Terl proud. But, once again, they have delivered a massive footbullet. I was content to withdraw my support at the start of 2010 and remain relatively quiet. All that changed yesterday. If OSA thought they would control me by using Alexander as a pawn, it backfired.
    Every time Alexander is used by OSA I will faithfully post every detail on the web, so that the “Office of COB” can see that the world knows and understands their dirty tricks.
    Sometimes it is fun to be underestimated.
    But we live in a world of instant digital communication. Marty’s site gets 50,000 hits a WEEK !
    We can let sunshine disinfect.
    My life is good now. I am highly successful, healthy, wealthy and wise. I have no doubt who my true and dear friends are – they are the people who read this blog every day. And I have no doubt that I will dedicate myself to preventing the destruction of LRH’s legacy by the SP David Miscavige. This is my Doubt Formula announcement.
  6. RightOn Member

    Very sad
    A 27 year old guy dies from a fever.
    And for what? Something that some old fat drug ridden insane hack sci fi writer wrote 60 years ago to get rich?
    My sympathy to Karen
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  8. Malory Member

    The disconnection was LRH's legacy, Miscavige is only following orders.
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  9. 1957 Member

    Well yeah. But on steroids.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    THIS is Why. The destruction of the "church" in its current form. The DESTRUCTION of the "church" in its current form. So much progress has been made, but so much work remains to be done......
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  13. Anonymous Member

    (((( Do you know what? Heber Jentzsch could be the one man inside who will come out, on his own, fists swinging, and able to outwit the sonofabitch once and for all.
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  14. sallysock Member

    Reading this.
    I cried. No lulz- just sadness.
    Godspeed to Alexander.
    Carry On.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    Doubt it. He's damaged goods.
  16. Anonymous Member

    Heber should dig up some of that righteous indignation for which he was renowned and do something. Man up.
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  17. Anonymous Member

    That man is long gone. What's left is just an automaton. No self-respecting person would allow themselves to be placed in the hole for year after year. I doubt there's much of a brain left in his head.
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  18. Anonymous Member

    Likely you're right. I raegposted.
  19. Anonymous Member

    Black PR just happened in the comments. If you have time- please halp at the vv.
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  20. Anonymous Member

    Appears to be troll, not scilon. Disrespectful, all the same.
    False alarm? Maybe. Whoknowswiththiscrazycult.
  21. Anonymous Member

    If fever was his only symptom... his problem was most likely easily treated and there was no reason for him to die.
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  22. sallysock Member

    From ESMB.
    icon1.png Re: With respect, Karen de la Carriere's son has died

    Thank you ESMB posters.
    Your kind words mean lot to me. More than you will realize.
    It is hard pill to swallow that I raised Alexander as a 2nd generation
    Scientologist and he is dead at 27.
    That Office of Special Affairs maliciously ordered I not be told is a grim reminder
    of Church protocol.
    I am a declared suppressive person.
    I am Fair Game to be lied to do, cheated, deceived and destroyed.
    Alexander's body is above and below other dead bodies in the Coroner's office in downtown Los Angeles. It has been there since July 3rd.
    The Church so much wanted it covered up that not one Facebook friend of Alexander's has been informed.
    The Church would rather the body lie there than let me take my own son's body.
    I sent someone to the house where Alexander died with a letter for Andrea (wife) to sign over the body to me.
    Alexander's mother in law answered the door.
    It was BRUTAL.
    He was told ~~
    No communication ~~ all communication to Andrea ~~ Alexander's wife, is to go to
    OFFICE of Special Affairs of the Church !
    Tell Karen there will be NO VIEWING.
    Get off the property or we will call the police.
    This is what occurred to my friend who hand delivered a letter asking for my son's body.

    Karen de la Carriere
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  23. MSAnon505 Member

    If Alexander is Karen's flesh and blood, doesn't her right as a parent supercede anything the cult can come up with?
  24. JustNoise Member

    I am so sorry to read this news! This makes me sad and furious! 27!! So senseless and tragic. So stupid! Decent medical care that most normal people take for granted might have prevented this. I very much hope a full medical report is underway.

    This is why.
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  25. Jicox Member

    I´m deeply saddened by this.

    THIS IS WHY we will continue this.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Trust the Independents to play on the HE&R to milk this for all its worth. Boo-fucking-hoo.
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  27. Malory Member

    Can only speak for the UK but legal spouse takes precedence over blood relatives. I know Karen will be hurting like hell, but sending someone around to demand the body was not the right move.

    The body could be at the coroner awaiting post mortem. Karen's friends would do better to hold her back at the moment. Not that I blame her in the slightest for lashing out, but cooler heads need to prevail.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    David Miscavige kills another victim.
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  29. Anonymous Member

    What is the point of having the FBI if they can't do their fucking job?
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  31. DodoTheLaser Member

    Scientology became a monster cult.
    The pay back is a bitch.
    Karma is here.
    So as Karen.
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  32. Etain Member


    Can't wait for this whole thing to come crashing down on their heads.
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  33. Anonymous Member

    I'm not a legal expert, I can only speak from experience of when a loved one dies unexpectedly at home.

    When my father died at home, first the paramedics were called by us, and they had to confirm the death. They question everyone and asked to see all meds he was taking. Next, the paramedics called the police as standard protocol. The police question everyone again. When they can't determine the cause of death, they require the body be sent to the medical examiner's office to determine the cause of death, and that cause is attested to by a doctor's signature. I was able call his doctor's 24/7 hotline, and they backed me up to the police not to take him to the morgue, but it was a struggle. The key factor was they assured the police their doctor would sign the death certificate with a cause of death (he had a history of heart problems). I was then able to call the funeral home for pick-up and transport.

    Some things Karen might look into are the 911 call and the police report, which would be public. The medical examiner will keep looking until a cause of death is determined, as this information must be listed on the death certificate. As to how accurate that cause is, we don't know.
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  34. Anonymous Member

    Dome me now, but you're a fucking asshole.
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  35. RightOn Member

    Alexander is the FOURTH person to die at Scientology's hands in the last 6 months. Isn't he?
    Don't foget the three other young people that died at Narconon Arrowhead.
    Yes I know it is a different situation. But ALL these deaths have evrything to do with Scientololgy
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  36. Tourniquet Member

    Somehow, Scientology gets a pass on all this.
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  37. Anonymous Member

    Behold OSA, Chanology.
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  38. so young ... unbelievable


    PS: Austrian media picked up the story already ... seems to be an End Game of the Cult
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  39. grebe Member

    What is "HE&R"?
  40. Anonymous Member

    There are, indeed, too many "Hill 10s" (dire emergencies) at one time for the cult to handle effectively, at present. Watch for major goofs to be made by our sleep-deprived adversaries.
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