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AGP's pansy-stomping Trial Date set for November...

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  1. Suzette Member

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    There have been accidents on that road. Catherine Frasier was showing off a picture of a car lying upside down just in front of the guard shack, and of course a Scientologist was killed while driving construction equipment she wasn't trained to use.

    Interestingly, they use the whole "Too Dangerous!" argument to argue for the protest ban, but turn around and try to force protesters further into the road.

    If it's true they've stopped using it, maybe they've applied some common sense and realized that all it was doing was wasting water and endangering life, and that neither strategy made them look good.
  2. JohnnyRUClear Member

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    Lurk moar.

    Mangled data. See my above link for the straightened-out version.
  3. Relyt Member

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    Yes, a woman driving her car down the road did die in an accident due to negligence by Gold's own road workers. They must have forgotten how to provide road safety from previous life experiences.
  4. TomVorm Member

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    To provide some background information (which can all be googled):

    The accident victims name was Ashley/Ashlee Shaner. She was 16 years old and was killed on May 17, 2000 when her car struck a large piece of construction equipment on Highway 79 adjacent to Gold Base.

    The driver of the "front loader" that night was Thomas Joseph Nove, who was unlicensed but hired by Scientology, when he placed his (unlit) vehicle on a dark section of that highway.

    Ashlee's car struck the bucket of the front loader through her windshield, and Ashlee was immediately decapitated (in the presence of her younger sister, who was in the passenger seat). Her mother was driving right behind her, and was said to have been screaming after she came upon the accident scene that night. It must have been truly horrible!

    Keith Henson frequently picketed Gold Base that Summer, reminding drivers of Shaner's death (based on Scientology's indifference to common-sense safety procedures which would otherwise provide greater protection to the driving public).

    After that event (and the death of Stacey Moxon of electrocution shortly afterward), Scientology reassigned property manager Ken Hoden and quickly paid out on the lawsuit brought by Shaner's family.
  5. xenubarb Member

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    NO U!
    Ashley Shaner was killed by the bucket of an unlit piece of machinery sticking out into the road.
    That accident had nothing to do with the design of the highway, just some negligent dumbass pressured by Scientology to finish a job that night.

    As for that picture Fraser displayed of a car on its side near the guard shack...they have plenty of unused cars there and it would not be outside the realm of possibility that the lying sacks of hyena poop staged that to "prove" that the road is dangerous and should be closed.

    Don't forget, when Stacy Moxon was frying in the transformer vault, the cult first phoned in a report of a car accident, which became a car fire, which became a squirrel hunt, which became a hunt for a squirrel that might've gone down in the vault.

    What do you want to bet that the only reason the story kept changing was the cult couldn't stage a car wreck because there just happened to be a couple protesters out front at the time?
  6. TomVorm Member

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    San Jacinto teen dies in crash with tractor
    The victim's 8-year-old sister survived the accident on Gilman Springs Road.

    By Jose Arballo Jr.
    The Press-Enterprise
    A 16-year-old San Jacinto girl returning from Bible study class was killed when the car she was driving collided with a tractor on Gilman Springs Road, authorities said.

    Ashlee Shaner, a 10th-grader at Calvary Christian School in Banning, was killed instantly Wednesday when the tractor's bucket smashed through the front windshield of the 1989 Mustang she was driving and struck her in the head, said California Highway Patrol Officer Eric Nolte.

    Ashlee's 8-year-old sister, Klarissa, who is also a student at Calvary Christian, survived the 9:15 p.m. accident by ducking moments before the impact, Nolte said. Klarissa, who was in the front passenger's seat, suffered minor bruises caused by a safety belt.

    Ashlee, who got her driver license less than a month ago, was traveling east on Gilman Springs Road at about 50 mph as she approached the Golden Era Productions facility about one mile east of Sanderson Avenue. The tractor, driven by 34-year-old Thomas Nove of Moreno Valley, was either crossing or traveling on the two-lane road when it was struck by the Mustang, Nolte said.

    The accident occurred on a straight section of the road, but the Mustang had just driven over a small rise and Ashlee had little time to react, Nolte said. There were about 30 feet of skid marks left by the Mustang.

    Nolte said there were no warning lights, flares or construction workers to guide motorists around the tractor. There were no street lights in the area, he said. It was unclear why the tractor was on the road, Nolte said, but some witnesses suggested it could have been escorting a paving machine across the road.

    Barry Sloan of Valle Vista was traveling west on Gilman Springs when he came upon the accident moments after it occurred. Sloan said he called 911, then grabbed a flashlight to check on the occupants of the Mustang. The tractor's bucket had smashed through the windshield and front seat.

    "It was obvious there was nothing I could do," Sloan said. Sloan did not see Klarissa and was surprised to learn she had survived. "I would not believe anyone could have made it."

    Nove, who was not injured, was working for a contracting company hired by Golden Era to do some work at the facility. The name of the firm was not available Thursday. Golden Era is a film studio owned by the Church of Scientology.

    Golden Era General Manager Ken Hoden said none of his employees were involved in the incident. The work being done is within the facility and not on the road, he said. He did not know why the tractor was on the road or whether work was being done when the accident occurred. He said there is some paving that is being done within the facility.

    "It is a terrible tragedy," Hoden said. "We are very saddened and express our condolences to the family."

    Hoden said it would be inappropriate to discuss the accident because the circumstances surrounding it have not been determined.

    "We've got to find out exactly what did happen first," Hoden said.

    The accident occurred at a time when Golden Era officials are lobbying the San Jacinto City Council to consider taking the Highway 79 designation from Gilman Springs Road. Golden Era is offering $40,000 toward installing a traffic signal in another part of the city if the city approves rerouting the state highway away from Gilman Springs. A similar plan, made in 1998 minus the cash, was rejected by the council.

    The council was to consider the matter Thursday evening.

    Nolte said the tractor was impounded as part of the investigation, which will aim to determine the cause of the accident and whether any criminal charges are warranted. There was no indication that excessive speed, drugs or alcohol played a role in the accident, Nolte said.

    As the probe into the accident continues, relatives, friends and classmates are trying to cope with the loss. Ashlee's family was staying with relatives out of the area.

    Paul Stalnecker, pastor at the 63-student Calvary Christian School, said Ashlee was a member of the school's volleyball and basketball teams and was involved in the yearbook. She had attended the school for six years.

    "She was a bubbly person," Stalnecker said. "You never saw her down. She always had a smile on her face."

    Staff members were told about the accident Wednesday night, while students were informed Thursday morning. The school has students in kindergarten through 12th grade. "It is a very difficult time," Stalnecker said. "We are a close-knit school. Something like this affects everyone. Ashlee was well-liked and very popular. She will be missed."

    One positive, Stalnecker said, was that Klarissa survived the accident.

    "We are so thankful for that," he said.

    San Jacinto teen dies in crash with tractor
  7. Sponge Member

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    I only see that stupid cunt's posts when someone quotes it.

    There are two particularly dangerous situations with wet roads. One is when there is a lot of standing water, where you have the obvious aquaplaning effect with the tire tread's inability to expel enough water. The the other is like this case when you have a small amount of water on a previously hot dry turning the ingrained rubber, from all those car's tires that have travelled that road since the last rain, into a slick slippery surface. Some motorcyclists may notice the latter a lot more than car drivers do as they feel every little slip and slide through their ass especially if the road bends and they are travelling at quite a lick. Car drivers won't know precisely what the surface is like until they have to take evasive action and go to brake more heavily than usual (even just slightly more in some cases) taking the car driver completely by surprise, especially when the car, now sliding at an angle mowing down several pedestians, hits the dry, restrores full grip and promptly flips over. So, basically, the car tends not go where you expect it as you attempt to apply all the skills you learned from watching a middle aged faggot on Top Gear. ABS may help you insofar as it may reduce the chances of sliding out of control initially during heavy braking ... before the guy behind slams into you and/or your extended reaction and braking distance caused you to drive into the something or someone you were trying to avoid.

    The worst slippery roads I have experienced are the ones where there is a fresh constant light drizzle on a previously dry hot road. With drenched roads in a moderate downpour it is more obvious that you should take care even though sometimes the road may actually have more grip than a freshly drizzled-on road.

    Bottom line: if you wanted to find a way to increase the likelyhood of causing a serious road traffic accident then purposefully spraying water on winding road which hasn't seen rain in ages, and where there are pedstrians waking along the gutter, would be a pretty damn fine way to go about it. Adding the distraction of Dr.Phibes on his 9000dB roadside organ speakers makes it even better.

    Take it from someone who lives in a region where most of our days are overcast, thus infusing us with a wistful melancholy to the point where we have like >9000 different words for every type of rain.
  8. Herro Member

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    Well yeah at least one would be nice before you start talking about how dangerous it is. As for the assaults, you're taking my statements out of context. I said that the rarity of violence would indicate that there is no pattern of behavior. Pay more attention.

    I don't entirely agree, but excellent post.

    So which one is it barb? Is the road ultra dangerous putting protesters at risk? Or is the road perfectly safe making the scientologists "lying sacks of hyena poop."
  9. TomVorm Member

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    I'll interject and simplify this subject for you (since there's a larger context involved here).

    Gilman Hot Springs Road at Gold Base, is dangerous because it's design is NON-CONFORMING with road safety standards (that were originally included in the Conditional Use Permit issued by Riverside County in the late 1980's).

    Why is it "non-conforming"?

    Because Gold Base violated its agreements with the County, and modified the road design (by adding a center island and deleting extra lanes, which made it narrower and harder for pedestrians there to protest from the sides of the highway).

    The fault is that of Gold Base alone, and the remedy is for them to finance the re-design and re-build of a conforming, 6-lane section (with sidewalks and gutters) extended to the full 100' width of the applicable road easement in that location.

    This does not conflict, with the statement that "(Scientologists are) lying sacks of hyena poop." Just google the term "TR-L" ("Training Routine: Lying"), when you find the ability to confront some actual truth.
  10. lululz Member

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    I'm just going to de-cloak from 8 months of lurking moar and moar to tell Sponge I <3 Sponge.

    TTFN
  11. fitch2000 Member

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    The road can be made dangerous putting protesters at risk. That is what they are doing whether you can reach that logical conclusion or not remains to be seen.

    I personally think they got called out on it by someone in the county and that is why the fences and sprinklers were moved....

    But wait there's moar

    Luckily, about 500 scientologists, "the only ones who can help" live or work right there!! So it's all good....no worries...
  12. Smurf Member

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    Maybe not foot traffic, but there are alot of bicyclists that use the road. Gold Base is near the city of San Jacinto which is booming right now. There are mountain bike trails nearby and alot of bicyclists use Highway 79 all the time, moreso on weekends.
  13. Smurf Member

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    Or maybe it's because numerous people (like myself) filed complaints with the water district & emailed them links to videos confirming the use of the sprinklers and massive waste of water during hours they were not supposed to be on.

    Catherine Fraser's only realization is that video doesn't lie and she was hard pressed to deny the facts when confronted by the district.
  14. humphrey Member

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    OK I read this "protesting God" and had an interesting second or two
  15. Oswald2001 Member

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    Clue for the clueless: Maps do not tell the whole story.

    Have you actually driven that road?

    The area is becoming less rural and the road more well travelled as each week goes by. The entire area is growing.

    The need for pedestrian accomodations is clearly apparent as there are commonly protesters that are pedestrians and the area is home to a HUGE CULT COMPOUND that is chock full of pedestrians.

    Please to be consulting reality before engaging ones's mouth.



    That road needs to be widened by several lanes and it needs to be straightened as the original road is not sufficient for today's needs.

    All anyone needs to do is take a drive down that road with the flow of traffic to see that it is inadequate in it's present design and dangerous.

    Especially during high traffic times.
  16. Relyt Member

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    Several people made complaints and even sent in pictures of what was being violated by Scientology. Graham Berry helped a lot with this as well.
    Have you?
  17. Anonymous Member

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    No, but they give you a good starting point.

    Yes, and I've actually protested Gold several times, as well. However, I wonder if you have?

    Auto traffic, yes. Pedestrian? No. Who's going to walk from the Jack in the Box in Banning to the Panda Express in Hemet? At least try to make the valid point that Smurf made about the need to accommodate cyclists.

    The cult "pedestrians" have a tunnel that runs under the highway, and they're not exactly lounging around the road. Have you ever seen a clam standing outside of Gold?
    To be honest, the easement is a perfectly acceptable place to stand. It's wide, and when they're not pointing the sprinklers at us, it's a comfortable distance from the road. Rural roads don't have sidewalks because of the lack of actual foot traffic.

    Hurrrr, someone got butthurt. You might want some salve for that, old man.

    I'll agree with you there, it's a shitty road. For cars and cyclists.

    Again, there's no foot traffic, even with the very sporadic protests.
  18. Oswald2001 Member

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    Yes. I have driven that road. Have you?

    It is clearly dangerous. Especially during higher traffic times.

    It is not really safe at any time.

    The area is growing and it is past time that the road be widened to at least 4 lanes with an island, dirt/gravel shoulder and sidewalks for pedestrians.


    I doubt the County of Rivercide would have to take (through Eminent Domain) more than 20-40 ft each side of the current road.

    This in addition to the (I think) 50 ft. each side of the road easement already in place.

    Again, the road needs to be straightened as well as widened.
  19. Oswald2001 Member

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    Well, call it an accomodation for cyclists then. Either way, it would be used by pedestrians and cyclists.



    What you are missing, and what the County has missed heretofore, is the concept of Urban Planning.

    The area is changing.

    The pedestrian issue has already come up and been highlighted in the court case that this thread is about.

    There is no room for cyclists and there is no room for pedestrians of today or tomorrow.

    If the county finds that they don't want to spring for concrete sidewalks today...fine.

    That can easily change after another 1,000-2,000 more Single Family Homes are built out there.

    There should still be pedestrian access accomodated in the form of a pathway at least.

    Not blocked by CULT 'gardens'.



    The Southern California population spread used to be such that San Moreno Valley was the fartherst 'cheap' place to build with Hemet being 'a bit too far away'.

    The economics have changed and Hemet is now being built up.

    Hemet is, in effect, the 'new' San Moreno Valley.


    The next building push in the Hemet area will likely see a complete transformation of the CULT area.


    Hemet and it's environs is simply not the same as when Elron envisioned his CULT compound.


    The old country road was sufficient for many years. Not so anymore.


    The original builders of that road (in the middle of nowhere) never envisioned the amount of traffic that it would carry. This to include cyclists and pedestrians. Now and in the not too distant future.


    Any major upgrading must take into account current and future needs.


    The area was rural and will be suburban in the near future.

    It is the suburban use for which the road must be improved.
  20. Snake Member

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  21. xenubarb Member

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    You are quite right. When I started visiting Gold Base, Hemet and Ida Camburn back in 2000, the highway into Hemet was all strawberry fields. Over time, they have given way to housing developments and commercial properties. There is not one strawberry field left on that road, and the few vacant fields remaining have "COMING SOON" signs indicating future homes and shopping malls. Like Riverside County and Antelope Valley, this population boom is due to the public notion that they must own a home, and these less desirable regions are relatively inexpensive. They are extremely hot in the summer time, and chilly in winter. It is high desert, and not very hospitable, but there was open land available. A lot of people make a long commute to get to their workplaces in San Diego, LA, and the city of Riverside. A lot of them use the road that bisects Gold Base, as it's the straightest route to the I-10 freeway.

    Eminent domain was intended for just this type of thing; although it has been misused by many local governments to favor certain business interests, roads, parks and other public amenities are the reason for this law.

    Gilman Springs Road does need to be expanded to accommodate an increasingly heavy traffic burden. I'm sure Hemet will hear the dwarf squalling in fury when the county lops off another 50 feet of their property to widen the road. The poor little fellow will have to have the fences moved back again. I will sip his tears of fury with glee when that happens.
  22. Anonymous Member

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    Cool story, but what the fuck is "San Moreno Valley?"
  23. Oswald2001 Member

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    It's next to Moreno Valley, but, higher up. Therefore more 'holy'.

    Thus the "San".
  24. Relyt Member

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    Yes, I have driven on the road. The last protest there in April, I was lucky enough to be able to drive all the way there. Although I missed the exit the first time around and drove for a long as time before I could actually find a place to make a U-turn, then later found out I could have simply kept going down the road I turned into, which loops around back to Gold from San Jacinto.
  25. Herro Member

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    Dude, seriously- you're getting owned here. Just quit while you're ahead.
  26. A.Non Hubbard Member

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    WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

    I've read some dumb arguments from you Oswald but this one is exceptional in how flimsy it is. You've decided the county should spend thousands of dollars on sidewalks, reouting of traffic and road crews for a hypothetical that could otherwise be easily addressed when SOMEONE ACTUALLY PLANS, ZONES, DEVELOPS AND SELLS YOUR FICTIONAL HOUSES.
  27. BusinessBecky Member

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    Then read something else.
  28. xenubarb Member

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    We'd be happy if the cult was forced to remove their landscaping from the easement. Ten years ago I complained to CalTrans that erm, my car broke down and I was forced to walk in the roadway due to plantings down to the curb.

    Two weeks later, they were gone, leaving us room to walk off the road. But you gotta keep on them, cuz they know sooner or later the auforities will forget, and they'll just plant shit again.
    Evidence being them pansies in the walkway.
  29. Anon-007 Member

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    LOL!
  30. Oswald2001 Member

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    FIFY



    One of us has been watching the population spread in this area of California for more than 40 years. (Can you guess which one of us?)

    Here's a clue: It's not you.

    Including visiting just about every construction site in the Moreno Valley and Hemet areas - and beyond - for about 10 years and then professionally appraising real estate in that (and other areas) for about 20 more.

    My businesses were dependent on accurately assessing and capitalizing from population spread trends.

    I am as attuned to that as you are to making absurd posts.

    One of us knows that this is precisely what Urban Planning is for. (Can you guess which one of us?)

    Here's a clue: It's not you.

    The county (thankfully) isn't in agreement with your madcap assessments as it already has easements on each side of the existing road for purposes of expansion as the area grows. These easements have been in place for many years.

    Eminent Domain is used when the previous provisions for future expansion are found to be inadequate. One of us knows that. (Can you guess which one of us?)

    Here's a clue: It's not you.

    You obviously aren't aware of the population growth and how development trends are going in that part of the county.

    The coming houses and supporting infrastructure is not hypothetical. It's inevitable.

    If you don't realize that the road must be straightened as well as widened in order to support the ever increasing traffic...then, please...put down the booze or pills or whatever you are smoking. 'Cause you're embarassing yourself.

    No one said the sidewalks must be poured this afternoon. In fact, you quoted me saying that the sidewalks didn't need to poured right away. (You negate your own argument. LOL!)

    It's just that there should be an easement and provision for pedestrian and cyclist traffic. There isn't now and it is dangerous.




    One of us is qualified to post on this. (Can you guess which one?)


    Here's a clue: It's not you.




    BTW, using caps and large bold fonts are no substitute for actually making sense.


    Hint: Don't drink and post. Mmmkay...?
  31. Anonymous Member

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    How nice for you. Clearly you've found the best community that suits your personality in which to post about Scientology protesting.

    Spoilers: ESMB is that-a-way.
  32. Relyt Member

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    What the hell are we even arguing anymore?
  33. Anonymous Member

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    Your Cheeto dust.
  34. sheep dip Member

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    You're not the boss of me.



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  35. JohnnyRUClear Member

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    This thread........

    {paging Kanye West}
  36. Zak McKracken Member

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  37. Herro Member

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    What about posting in different colors?
  38. Sci No Moar Member

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    Posting in different colors is acceptable when needed to emphasize a point. There are very few points that need an obnoxiously large font though. This usually makes the poster of said font actually lose credibility even if the point is valid. Unless its humorous which can add points. That was not humorous since it didn't really make sense and was an over-exaggeration. I found Oswalds use of color to be understated in comparison and it was humorous in the first two instances but then worn thin. As a result I score it:
    A.non Hubbard 3/10 ....mostly for effort since it must have taken a while to figure out how to get the font that large.

    Oswald 8/10 .....For making valid points based on actual experience with the area and for pwning a tard.

    Winner.......Oswald2001

    moving on....
  39. Hombre Moderator Skandinaviska

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    fuck the sprinklers. I want the Gold Tone back.
  40. Smurf Member

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    Agreed. That was so rad and drove the locals nuts trying to figure out the rationale behind it.

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