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ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

Discussion in 'Senator Xenophon And Scientology' started by OneOneWasARacecar, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. AnotherSock Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Anybody with experience of working with the media outside of Australia: is there a way we could persuade TV stations elsewhere to obtain and show this documentary? It'd go down very well on the BBC or Channel 4 in the UK, for instance.

    Also, within Australia... can we get this excellent piece of broadcasting NOMinated for an award or two? ABC did a fantastic job. Especially when you consider how difficult the cult will have made things for them. (Remember what they did to the BBC's John Sweeney...)
  2. Belladonna Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    ...Thinking alike and all that...

    (Also, I'm going to put in a plug for viewing the show on the ABC website as long as it remains there. They will be able to get feedback by their traffic numbers)
  3. Anonymous Member

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    Yes. If you can watch it from the ABC site their ratings info will indicate the enormous interest in this story. If not then the youtube will do (5 parts out of 6 are online now), and bastardsheep said he's putting an HD recording up some time soon.
  4. Anonymous Member

  5. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    The timing of that broadcast is too good to be true. Little more than a week before Senator Xenophon is due to speak on this subject in parliament, and many in his audience will have seen Four Corners and formed their own opinions.

    If you're in the cult, you're probably screaming "Conspiracy!" about now.

    I don't think it's the result of a conspiracy. I think it's just that we've reached critical mass. As more people get informed, ever more entheta will be expressed. There's no future for the Cult of Scientology in Europe or Australia now.
  6. Zhent Member

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    *slowpoke.jpg*

    Did anyone else notice the org (AOSH ANZO) had the barrier tech up when they were filming outside? I thought that was pretty amusing, they usually only reserve that level of desperation for us! (anon)


    Oh and
  7. the anti Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Elizabeth Smart was still a teenager at the time she was kidnapped, then found nine months later
  8. ZeroZero Member

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    Agree with Stu ...
  9. Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    It's up now. See the op. Bastardsheep??? lulz
  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    2UE Sydney radio 9-3-10

    Xenophon calls Scientology inquiry ( they discuss 4 Corners show )

    Independent Senator Nick Xenophon talks to The Two Murrays why he's called on his parliamentary colleagues to support a Senate inquiry into the Church of Scientology following new allegations from former followers.

    Audio available at - 2UE - Homepage
  11. Belladonna Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    It looks like this episode will be run again tonight at 11:35 PM. Is this correct?

    @ Barry below:

    Few minutes' time? But it's first thing in the morn... Oh wait ;)

    Way to go on the rebroadcast.
  12. Barry41 Member

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    Yes it will be on tv again in a few minutes time. Perfect for any Senators who may have missed it last night.
  13. the_cloak Member

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    We can with footage from Clearwater. Sea org are escorted eveyrwhere. The 4 corners segment showed them being escorted by 2 guards as well.

    Now it is possible Tommy saw her walking past payphones. But what he didn't say was that if she had stopped at one, her handlers would have pulled her screaming from it and dragged her back into one of their buildings for a [STRIKE]beatdown[/STRIKE] introspection rundown.
  14. RightOn Member

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    love this!!
  15. Lorelei Member

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    "BAAAAAAWWWWW!!!"?
  16. WagTheWog Member

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    Has there been any response to the show from scientology yet? All they have to do is just copy pasta from all the past responses . . .
  17. Lorelei Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Yes.

    * Psychological pressure: being told family is "suppressive" and that leaving will mean not only never communicating with the people you have lived with for several years ever again, but also losing your "eternity" / afterlives. The world outside Sci-land is also seen as scary and threatening and full of entheta, PTSes and SPs.

    * Financial pressure: with what money is she going to be able to afford a long-distance phone call? Chance of a SO'er having a phone card / mobile phone / access to a public phone? Practically nil. She will be threatened with a "freeloader debt" if she leaves, and reminded that she didn't finish high school and has no non-Sci job experience, so how will she survive on her own?

    * Geographical isolation: where is she going to run to, when Scientology owns all of CW's downtown area for blocks around? Seriously. She has no vehicle (that's a sure bet). What about when she is "on decks"? Can she run away when in the middle of the ocean?

    * Peer pressure: who does she know, having been in the cult this long, that is not a cultist, to talk to? If she does express reservations or doubts, she risks having her confidant narc on her and write up a KR, getting sent to the RPF and being sec checked constantly.

    Depending on the age of your boss and friend, they might remember the Patty Heart / Tania case. At the time, she was not believed and was convicted, IIRC. Nowadays, it is pretty much acknowledged that she had Stockholm Syndrome and was "brainwashed" by her captors (after sexual and physical abuse and being locked in a closet for days on end and fearing for her life, mind you).

    You might also ask them how "free" Prisoners of War are. Scientology considers themselves at war with all non-Scientologists. If she dares to express any comment that is not indicative of heartfelt solidarity and agreement, she becomes one of the ranks of enemies herself.

    It's worth a try, anyway.
  18. xenubarb Member

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    And she filed a lawsuit against the cult in France, as did the family of Maria Lopez, who committed suicide by train after the cult drained her of all resources. Perhaps these two cases will be the final straw that causes France to dismantle them.
  19. xenubarb Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Tony Alamo Ministries tried to get away with the 'room and board' thing when using homeless people as labor. The court ruled that room and board cannot be included unless the individual had some choice as to where they lived. Like Scientology, inmates had no choice. Final ruling was, minimum wage must be paid for labor. Can't take off room and board, iirc.

    This case set the precedent. The court will certainly consider it in the Headley/Decrescenzo cases.
  20. Anonymous Member

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    It's worth reading thru the transcripts.
  21. Sponge Member

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    Yes, sort of, in the last third of this item from 9News which did a piece about the 4Corners documentary on their A Current Affair programme....
    Scientology under siege on MSN Video
    They wheeled out [STRIKE]Dame Edna Hubbard[/STRIKE] some old trout by the name of Julia Hargrave.

    or vimeo if you prefer.....
    [ame=http://vimeo.com/10029373]Scientology on A Current Affair - March 9 2010 on Vimeo[/ame]

    A transcript of that interview is here:
    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/current-affair-march-9-2010-a-62753/#post1188540
  22. TinyDancer Member

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    Hana has perfected eyebrow tech.
  23. xenubarb Member

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  24. Sponge Member

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    Fascinating, Captain.

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  25. PodPeople Member

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    Probably one of the best known brainwashing cases, known worldwide, is Patty Hearst. Once she got to the point where she could have escaped, not only did she stay, but defended and supported her kidnappers. Later she wrote a book and hit the media circuit to explain brainwashing process.

    It's a classic. So if someone asks why don't they just leave, just say "remember Patty Hearst?".
  26. Anonymous Member

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    I only know of one, personally.

    She's well out, but still getting Fair Gamed.

    Nobody should have to endure what she did.
  27. Anonymous Member

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    He's already gotten shit from Tiny Dave, IIRC. He had his shirt off on deck while the Midget was passing by, who saw it, and went nuts.
  28. AnotherSock Member

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    I can think of two messengers from the days of 'Commodore Hubbard' (I won't name them) who have both done great things to bring the abuses of the cult to our attention. I assume that some of the others from that era have also wised up and shipped out.
  29. Relyt Member

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    You know, body language is really just a minor implication of whether or not someone is lying. Tommy's shifty eyes are only somewhat telling. What's even more telling is the very fact that he contradicts himself within a single sentence, more than once. Also, the countless inconsistencies throughout his various interviews given. That's the one thing that really separates the stories of the exes and the interviews the spokesholes give: consistency.
  30. PodPeople Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Not everyone pours over every single news item like we do, or journalists who do the homework, to get that consistency thing (although there's many times tommy boy Does contradict himself in a single sitting).

    But what always comes across, and the one thing Tommy is incapable of fixing:
    Lack of compassion, void of humanity, the true face of sci. It especially jumps out when there's a live interview or video of ex's speaking, clearly anguished at times, sometimes showing signs of deep trauma. More than anything, IMO, that impacts audiences in the gut. They may forget the words, they won't forget that instinct to stay away and keep their kids away.
  31. timid sparrow Member

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    Yes, wonder where Hero is these last days.
  32. Paroxetine Samurai Moderator

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    I heard everybody's favorite troll was domelocked. I maybe wrong but it appears that way.
  33. Belladonna Member

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    The ratings are in

    mUmBRELLA
    ABC1 climbs Monday ratings ladder ahead of Ten

    ABC1 climbs Monday ratings ladder ahead of Ten - mUmBRELLA

    [IMG]
  34. Lorelei Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Great minds, etc., as I mentioned her 6-7 posts ago. :p
  35. Random guy Member

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    Finally got to see the whole thing through. Splendid show, splendid timing!
  36. MeganonOT8 Member

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    WOW!! JUST WOW!!! I AM SPEECHLESS..
  37. Spangly Member

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    I've made a nice short-url which redirects to the main ABC page about this special - tr.im/exfiles

    If anyone's planning on playing the video's sound over any Really Loud Awesome Toys at raids, be forewarned that there's two non-bleeped "fuck"s at the 42m 15s mark which might not go down too well with police. (Timing based on the flash player on the ABC webpage)
  38. Lorelei Member

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    An Aussie forum friend alerted me to the 4 Corners special (that I'd already seen) and added this juicy tidbit: She believes Xenophon's inquiry may have been influenced in part by the mysterious death of a soldier, Edward Alexander McBride, and then 4C's report was influenced not only by the soldier's death but also Xenophon's inquiry and the NYT article.

    Australian soldier?s suicide: What is the Church of Scientiology hiding?

    (She called him a "Digger," I am not familiar with the term. Aussies, help me learn something: Is that a special branch of the military in Oz, or an affectionate term for all soldiers?)
  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Four Corners was in the can before the NYT article. They began working on it in December. How could the NYT article (which happened the day before 4C) affect a 45 minute investigative program that had been scheduled for weeks?

    A digger is an Australian soldier (army).
  40. El Diablo Member

    Re: ABC's Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files

    Yeah, it's an Aussie and New Zealander colloquialism - Pretty sure it comes from when the ANZACS (Australian and New Zealand Army Corps) were digging trenches and tunnels during WWI.


    Wow! Nice! :D

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