A Panorama Special: Secrets of Scientology, BBC One, Tuesday, 28 September at 2100

WhiteNight · Oct 2, 2010

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Anonymous;1331086 said:

How's rule 34 work on that? Accidental Buttsecks?

Curiousity killed the kitteh ladies and gents.
[SPOILER] [/SPOILER]
Full story for those of you with more curiousity than sense:
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Bob Loblaw · Oct 2, 2010

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Anonymous;1330512 said:

Why didn't Amy mention the RPF prison camp, in fact, why didn't any of them mention what goes on at Gold? Disappointing, but otherwise fairly good, Sweeny made the clams look exactly how they are insane. LOL he's got the game now...just document and expose the clammy creepiness and show the world. *no worries however, rumor has it a new documentary interview people who have no qualms talking about the prison camp, celebrity gayness, and other such stuff.*

We've got the benefit of having been reading this stuff for quite a while now. I'd cite a previous professor's criticism of a presentation I gave: in sum, I told too much.

Best to use the time given to explain in an audience-appropriate manner why Scientology's abuses and danger to the public-at-large are very real threats. If the public wants to know more, it's a relatively simple leap to discover additional sordid details.

Quite frankly, I personally got tired of reading about YET MORE abuses: the ones that were already well-documented (Disconnection, Operation Snow White, coerced abortions by the Sea Org, etc.) were easily enough for me. Quite frankly, if the only thing I saw was "The Unfunny Truth About Scientology", I'd be set for a damned long time (about a billion years *cough*).

EDIT: The scene at 8:02 in Part 4 - just WOW: it'll be hard to forget that example of Disconnection.

bAnon · Oct 2, 2010

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I know it's been mentioned ITT, but the use of a Tommy Davis similar voice in the program is ULTIMATE LULZ! I can only imagine 'The Sweeney' laughing his ass off in post production when they decided to use that voice.

Additionally, any $cilon public that watched this, and know Tommy.....well, let's just say I'm sure hearing that voice hit home for them.

DeathHamster · Oct 2, 2010

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bAnon;1331151 said:

I know it's been mentioned ITT, but the use of a Tommy Davis similar voice in the program is ULTIMATE LULZ! I can only imagine 'The Sweeney' laughing his ass off in post production when they decided to use that voice.

Additionally, any $cilon public that watched this, and know Tommy.....well, let's just say I'm sure hearing that voice hit home for them.

I wants a text-to-speech synth for Tommy. Animated Tommy-bobble-head would be be a bonus. (There ought be enough to sample here: Four Corners - Scientology: The Ex-Files )

Random guy · Oct 3, 2010

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Anonymous;1330512 said:

Why didn't Amy mention the RPF prison camp, in fact, why didn't any of them mention what goes on at Gold? Disappointing, but otherwise fairly good, Sweeny made the clams look exactly how they are insane.

One thing they did do, that I haven't see documented before, was exposing the extreme potty-mouth language of the "ecclesial leadership" of the cult. It's not like we sensor our language here, but at least swearing here is either used humourously or to express genuine emotions.

AnotherSock · Oct 3, 2010

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Random guy;1331231 said:

One thing they did do, that I haven't see documented before, was exposing the extreme potty-mouth language of the "ecclesial leadership" of the cult. It's not like we sensor our language here, but at least swearing here is either used humourously or to express genuine emotions.

Yeah. Also, none of us is pretending to be the head of a "religion".

"The most ethical people on the planet," no less. Hmm...

Anonymous · Oct 3, 2010

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AnotherSock;1331267 said:

Yeah. Also, none of us is pretending to be the head of a "religion".

Give me time.

Sponge · Oct 3, 2010

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bAnon;1331151 said:

I know it's been mentioned ITT, but the use of a Tommy Davis similar voice in the program is ULTIMATE LULZ! I can only imagine 'The Sweeney' laughing his ass off in post production when they decided to use that voice.

Additionally, any $cilon public that watched this, and know Tommy.....well, let's just say I'm sure hearing that voice hit home for them.

I wonder if that TD sound-a-like is available for hire? <evil grin>

Johnny Thunder · Oct 3, 2010

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Anonymous;1328926 said:

BBC comments link
BBC - Panorama: The Secrets of Scientology - Join in the debate

This?

BBC: Thank you

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the BBC for funding investigative journalism of this depth and scope. In days of diminishing budgets and tabloid tendencies, its good to see that actual journalism is still being carried out by actual journalists. I think my thoughts resonate well within a large group of people who have followed this story for the last 3-4 years. And more. So I applaud you for that.

However, one thing baffles me. Where is David Miscavige? Why does it seem so hard to get the leader of the church to lead his church? Was it difficult/impossible for the BBC to get Miscavige on camera? Can you persist on getting a 1-on-1 broadcast with him? He is the only person positioned in the heart of the controversy whose opinion really matters at this point, and we want to hear from him. At least I do, I am only assuming that others will too.

Secondly, I felt that the program was somewhat focused on the charges against the administration of the Church, as opposed to the aggressive nature of the original Hubbard recruitment systems. It seems like the current administration of the church did not invent the policies it is following. From what little I know about the system of scientology, it seems it was always meant to give the leader a sinister psychological advantage over the people around him.

I hope the BBC sees value in investigating how a system like Scientology has grown from the ideas of Hubbard to a large-scale international property-owner. I hope you can allow a budget to investigate the e-meter, the stress test, the ritualistic therapy sessions, the scientology techniques and practices, their touch assists and medical emergency capacities, the treatments for drug addiction and so on. The Church makes many bold claims; put them to the test.

The BBC has made an enormous contribution to the collective understanding, and thus resistance, to fraudulent scam techniques and abuses of power. I beg of you, please keep going, please keep up the good work.

Sincerely,
some guy on the internet

WhiteNight · Oct 3, 2010

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Johnny Thunder;1331289 said:

This?

BBC: Thank you

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the BBC for funding investigative journalism of this depth and scope. In days of diminishing budgets and tabloid tendencies, its good to see that actual journalism is still being carried out by actual journalists. I think my thoughts resonate well within a large group of people who have followed this story for the last 3-4 years. And more. So I applaud you for that.

However, one thing baffles me. Where is David Miscavige? Why does it seem so hard to get the leader of the church to lead his church? Was it difficult/impossible for the BBC to get Miscavige on camera? Can you persist on getting a 1-on-1 broadcast with him? He is the only person positioned in the heart of the controversy whose opinion really matters at this point, and we want to hear from him. At least I do, I am only assuming that others will too.

Secondly, I felt that the program was somewhat focused on the charges against the administration of the Church, as opposed to the aggressive nature of the original Hubbard recruitment systems. It seems like the current administration of the church did not invent the policies it is following. From what little I know about the system of scientology, it seems it was always meant to give the leader a sinister psychological advantage over the people around him.

I hope the BBC sees value in investigating how a system like Scientology has grown from the ideas of Hubbard to a large-scale international property-owner. I hope you can allow a budget to investigate the e-meter, the stress test, the ritualistic therapy sessions, the scientology techniques and practices, their touch assists and medical emergency capacities, the treatments for drug addiction and so on. The Church makes many bold claims; put them to the test.

The BBC has made an enormous contribution to the collective understanding, and thus resistance, to fraudulent scam techniques and abuses of power. I beg of you, please keep going, please keep up the good work.

Sincerely,
some guy on the internet

I like =)

Also; I'm so for hiring the guy with the TD voice. Failing that, is it possible to copy the parts of the film in which the guy speaks and splice up the words to form our own message?

Anonymous · Oct 3, 2010

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Johnny Thunder;1331289 said:

This?

BBC: Thank you

see also

Anonymous;1329339 said:

Useful (and potentially lulzy) things that you can do now:

The prog was broadcast on:
BBC1
England
9pm 28 September 2010 (that's 28/09/2010)

Tell the BBC how great it was:
https://faq.external.bbc.co.uk/templates/bbcfaqs/emailstatic/emailPage
'Type of contact' = 'Appreciation'

Complain to the BBC that it wasn't hard enough on Scientology:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/
to balance the inevitable tide of 'bias' complaints from Scilons.

UK Residents: contact your MP and ask them to watch it:
WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free
It should be on iPlayer now.
Ask your MP if they agree with the tax breaks ('mandatory relief from business rates') which this organisation gets in the UK.

Residents of City of London, Westminster, Camden, Birmingham, Sunderland:
Write to your local councillors
WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free
and ask them to watch the programme (available now on BBC iPlayer). Tell them that your council provides tax breaks ('mandatory relief from business rates') to this organisation, and ask them if they agree with this policy.

Anonymous · Oct 3, 2010

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Repeated in 5 minutes time on BBC News 24

exOT8Michael · Oct 3, 2010

Re: A Panorama Special: Secrets of Scientology, BBC One, Tuesday, 28 September at 210

Johnny Thunder;1331289 said:

This?

BBC: Thank you

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the BBC for funding investigative journalism of this depth and scope. In days of diminishing budgets and tabloid tendencies, its good to see that actual journalism is still being carried out by actual journalists. I think my thoughts resonate well within a large group of people who have followed this story for the last 3-4 years. And more. So I applaud you for that.

However, one thing baffles me. Where is David Miscavige? Why does it seem so hard to get the leader of the church to lead his church? Was it difficult/impossible for the BBC to get Miscavige on camera? Can you persist on getting a 1-on-1 broadcast with him? He is the only person positioned in the heart of the controversy whose opinion really matters at this point, and we want to hear from him. At least I do, I am only assuming that others will too.

Secondly, I felt that the program was somewhat focused on the charges against the administration of the Church, as opposed to the aggressive nature of the original Hubbard recruitment systems. It seems like the current administration of the church did not invent the policies it is following. From what little I know about the system of scientology, it seems it was always meant to give the leader a sinister psychological advantage over the people around him.

I hope the BBC sees value in investigating how a system like Scientology has grown from the ideas of Hubbard to a large-scale international property-owner. I hope you can allow a budget to investigate the e-meter, the stress test, the ritualistic therapy sessions, the scientology techniques and practices, their touch assists and medical emergency capacities, the treatments for drug addiction and so on. The Church makes many bold claims; put them to the test.

The BBC has made an enormous contribution to the collective understanding, and thus resistance, to fraudulent scam techniques and abuses of power. I beg of you, please keep going, please keep up the good work.

Sincerely,
some guy on the internet

THIS ^^^ is one awesome sharp 'poon!
I might copypasta it to BBC too... looks like a winning message to me.
M

Anonymous · Oct 3, 2010

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exOT8Michael;1331487 said:

I might copypasta it to BBC too...

Fucking fail. Write your own letter. A diversity of perspectives has more impact than copypasta.

exOT8Michael · Oct 3, 2010

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Anonymous;1331488 said:

Fucking fail. Write your own letter. A diversity of perspectives has more impact than copypasta.

I already sent mine last week.

More poons the better...

AnotherSock · Oct 3, 2010

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Anonymous;1331488 said:

Fucking fail. Write your own letter. A diversity of perspectives has more impact than copypasta.

Yeah... but sometimes I find it helps to have a starting point that I can work from and adapt. It gets the thing underway, even if the final letter is nothing like the one provided.

(I sent my own letter on Wednesday morning, BTW.)

JohnnyRUClear · Oct 3, 2010

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Anonymous;1331271 said:

Give me time.

"...tooooooooooooo realize my crime..."

(Yes, what are your crimes?!?)

jensting · Oct 5, 2010

Re: A Panorama Special: Secrets of Scientology, BBC One, Tuesday, 28 September at 210

The clambots are allll over the Panorama board.

Sharone Stainforth is giving them heck. Good show!

Best Regards

Jens

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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Sponge;1329927 said:

Galvanic skin resistance is only one channel of a polygraph. On its own it is obviously going to be even less reliable than a polygraph already is. Pretty useless in fact. Then, when you take away the relatively stable contact point and replace it with two huge fucking cans, which rely on your grip to keep them in contact with your skin, then you will rarely be able to set a settled datum, and still remain within a range that is senstive enough to measure the sweat response reliably.

In that Panorama segment, see how Rathbun has his left thumb on the e-meter knob, constantly having to make adjustments to keep the meter within range. They all do this. They have to. Would you trust a piece of equipment that is inherently unstable and can be deliberately faked from both sides? (you can also fake a real polygraph but it's harder and has to be deliberate).
Voluntarily or involuntarily, the subject will make minute changes in grip during the session which will make massive changes in resistance which may be greater or similar to any sweat response. It might indicate that you are uncomforatble or deliriously happy about a question, or it might be that you are just generally uncomfortable supporting two cans and that your hands are tired (and sweaty, lol).

If they eliminated the cans and used proper taped-on contacts, i.e. constant area and constant pressure then they'd would be half-way to getting one channel of a polygraph. The other problem is that, unlike a polygraph where the entire session of data and realtime annotations can be reviewed afterwards, there is no graphical plot over time on an e-meter and you rely on the operator making notes. That's a lot of work and prone to error or abuse. i.e. One thumb on the knob, the other hand is writing and his eyes are darting between the subject, the meter and the paper he's writing the scores on. Altogether, the process and the e-meter is a useless piece of shit. An artificially expensive piece of shit which is also used not just for screwing more money out of you, but also for sea org "security checks" to determine things like whether you ultimately get put into slave labor in the RPF and/or get to be able to see your family ever again.

Of course most of you here know much of this.

I picked up right away while watching Marty Rathbun perform the pinch test. Immediately, I would have asked him "Can you move your fingers off of the "truthy test machine please while you are performing this test on me."

I'm hoping that John Sweeney noticed this silly behaviour even in his nautiness

AnotherSock · Oct 5, 2010

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jensting;1332012 said:

The clambots are allll over the Panorama board.

Join the fun.

DeathHamster · Oct 5, 2010

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Anonymous;1332021 said:

I picked up right away while watching Marty Rathbun perform the pinch test. Immediately, I would have asked him "Can you move your fingers off of the "truthy test machine please while you are performing this test on me."

I'm hoping that John Sweeney noticed this silly behaviour even in his nautiness

It would be just as valid if the auditor used a Ouija board while the subject was holding actual soup cans. True, it wouldn't have the party-trick resistance meter, but on the other hand, a Ouija board could spell out exactly what the problem is.

"Now just remember when I pinched you. O. W. W. Yes, see how the Ouija meter picked up the thought-image..."

(Best of all, you could have soup afterward.)

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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bAnon;1331151 said:

I know it's been mentioned ITT, but the use of a Tommy Davis similar voice in the program is ULTIMATE LULZ!

My only complaint is it didn't sound quite gay enough . . .

Petete · Oct 5, 2010

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Hi guys. I was wondering if there is any plan to make a transcript of the show, because I will translate it to spanish and subtitle it sooner or later, but a transcript would help a LOT

Sponge · Oct 5, 2010

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Petete;1332231 said:

Hi guys. I was wondering if there is any plan to make a transcript of the show, because I will translate it to spanish and subtitle it sooner or later, but a transcript would help a LOT

Someone started a thread for that sort of thing, somewhere. Find it and bump it.
The BBC iPlayer has an english subtitles option which would make it easier for someone in the UK to go through it, retype it, and note the timings as opposed to a raw transcription from audio only. Then you do your translations. The only problem is that the iPlayer has a piss poor seek slider.

I did have a look for a shortcut, at whether I could extract the subtitles as text from an iPlayer download but upon initial investigation, and due to the mental distraction of other shiny things, it seems that even if they were in the download they'd be hard coded in the resultant mp4 and unextractable.

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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I love it when you tech dirty to me, baby ^^^^

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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Dont you UK guys get closed caption subtitles broadcast on the BBC? We certainly get them here on the ABC...

Sponge · Oct 5, 2010

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Anonymous;1332335 said:

Dont you UK guys get closed caption subtitles broadcast on the BBC? We certainly get them here on the ABC...

S'ok, turned out the bespoke iplayer download file does save the subs and timings as a seperate file (formatted as XML or something, which I then reformatted as simple plaintext).

See here if you are interested in doing translations.....
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/panorama-media-dissemination-thread-72088/#post1332383

Note although I have some pretty neat video editing software, the titling features are a tad clunky and time consuming for this sort of thing and there is no way to import any format of subtitles autmatically. So, don't ask me to insert your translation into hard coded subs and re-render an entire 60min widescreen video because it's just too much. Someone else may be better equipped to deal with that.

Petete · Oct 5, 2010

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Sponge;1332386 said:

S'ok, turned out the bespoke iplayer download file does save the subs and timings as a seperate file (formatted as XML or something, which I then reformatted as simple plaintext).

See here if you are interested in doing translations.....
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/panorama-media-dissemination-thread-72088/#post1332383

Note although I have some pretty neat video editing software, the titling features are a tad clunky and time consuming for this sort of thing and there is no way to import any format of subtitles autmatically. So, don't ask me to insert your translation into hard coded subs and re-render an entire 60min widescreen video because it's just too much. Someone else may be better equipped to deal with that.

As I said in the other thread and PM, dont worry, I got it. Thanks a LOT Sponge!

Sponge · Oct 5, 2010

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'Secrets of Scientology': Journalist John Sweeney Revisits Scientology - International - Catholic Online - 5th Oct 2010

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Petete · Oct 5, 2010

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Sponge;1332415 said:

'Secrets of Scientology': Journalist John Sweeney Revisits Scientology - International - Catholic Online - 5th Oct 2010

Don't forget to scroll right down and rate the article. You don't need to sign up to do that.

Done. "Very helpful" and "Yes, Im interested".

Smurf · Oct 5, 2010

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Too funny... a police officer with the South Yorkshire Police (UK) tweeted Kirstie Alley mentioning her part in the Panorama expose and Kirstie blocked him..

"Hear Panorama this eve a slur on the good name of Scientology. Outrageous! Nothing will stop us loving Kirstie Alley". BBC News - Panorama - John Sweeney revisits the Church of Scientology - Sep 28th

"Have been blocked by @kirstiealley! #heartbroken. Will sob over my box-set of the "Look Who's Talking" Trilogy." - Sep 30th

kirstiealley @southyorksfuzz did not mean to block you...but you should be aware that furthering slanderous info isn't something beloved
Sep 30th via web in reply to southyorksfuzz

South Yorks' Police (southyorksfuzz) on Twitter

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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The cult is in paranoid mode lashing out with a bunch of new propaganda videos.

When will these poor suckers ever learn the meaning of "monumental waste of time"?

Meet a Scientologist: The Lads From London

Meet a Scientologist: Sussex inventor Saves Millions of Lives with Special Syringe

Meet a Scientologist: PR Pro Cheryl Duncan Steps Out On Faith

theLastAnon · Oct 5, 2010

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Sponge;1332415 said:

'Secrets of Scientology': Journalist John Sweeney Revisits Scientology - International - Catholic Online - 5th Oct 2010

Don't forget to scroll right down and rate the article. You don't need to sign up to do that.

Be sure to check out the rotating front page imagery on Catholic Online right now. This is the second time they've used chanology anons as the front page photo for a Scientology story. Kind of epic.

For posterity and in case you miss it:

Either Randy Sly has a hard-on for us, or their webmaster is down with the lulz.

EDIT: thought this story deserved its own thread, so started one here (credit to Sponge): http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-m...sweeney-revisits-scientolo-72286/#post1332472

DeathHamster · Oct 5, 2010

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theLastAnon;1332464 said:

Either Randy Sly has a hard-on for us, or their webmaster is down with the lulz.

Well... Guy Fawkes was a Catholic, after all.

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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theLastAnon;1332464 said:

Be sure to check out the rotating front page imagery on Catholic Online right now. This is the second time they've used chanology anons as the front page photo for a Scientology story. Kind of epic.

Either Randy Sly has a hard-on for us, or their webmaster is down with the lulz.

Randy Sly reads WWP.

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

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Anonymous;1332021 said:

I picked up right away while watching Marty Rathbun perform the pinch test. Immediately, I would have asked him "Can you move your fingers off of the "truthy test machine please while you are performing this test on me."

Also, when given a noticeable pinch it would be natural to reflexively squeeze the cans a little bit harder, thus bumping the meter. Being asked to recall the experience only moments later while still holding onto the cans would elicit the same reflex action. Marty's finger on the dial just to smooth out any minor variances for the camera. Putting the cans down for a while and then coming back some time later, any response to recalling that pinch would likely be much more subdued..

I'm hoping that John Sweeney noticed this silly behaviour even in his nautiness

I think he probably did, but for the sake of brevity chose to let it all stand on it's own. Viewers would mostly be all "LOL E-Meter" as it was without needing to be spoon fed details over just how ridiculous the whole thing really is.

theLastAnon · Oct 5, 2010

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Anonymous;1332470 said:

Randy Sly reads WWP.

oh hai Randy

Anonymous · Oct 5, 2010

Re: A Panorama Special: Secrets of Scientology, BBC One, Tuesday, 28 September at 210

Anonymous;1332470 said:

Randy Sly reads WWP.

He would be a idiot if he did not. He has been given the link by many and was told about the cold hard facts of scientology abuses.

....the man likes the verifiable facts.

I hope you other faggots latch on to other journalists...and ride them 'til they are chapped in the ass.

You can't expect all to be as "with it" as Sly.

JohnnyRUClear · Oct 6, 2010

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Anonymous;1332506 said:

You can't expect all to be as "with it" as Sly.

Say it, say it, say it again!

brownsugar · Oct 6, 2010

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Scientology is a controversial subject this is a good read Don't Panic > Magazine > Schmientology | How to get your cult classed as a religion

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