A Panorama Special: Secrets of Scientology, BBC One, Tuesday, 28 September at 2100

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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Immediate follow up with rates relief $$$ issue, a 1-2 punch, is, well, a thing of beauty.

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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getbeckyout;1329635 said:

What happened to the vids?
Didn't scientology appreciate the open comments about their show?

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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the anti;1329666 said:

well, sometimes they hug eachother

that's not hugging, he's picking her pockets for the car keys.

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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Alternative download links (possibly higher quality?) here and here.

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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Sponge;1329418 said:

Does anyone here feel that the cult is being eerily quiet? I mean, is their freedumb mag/google ads "john sweeney desperate lies", the thumbing-down of critical videos and flagging the moxon badger cartoon, really all there is? Don't you just feel that there should be something else or is this all that cocksucker David Miscavige can muster from his depleted and demoralised flock?

That's because they're expecting the Panorama expose to revitalize Anonymous with an enhanced number of protests around the world calling for the public to watch the show.

Very sad if this doesn't happen. It's a great opportunity to stick it to DM.

Smurf · Sep 30, 2010

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Someone at ESMB posted very large screenprints of parts of the expose, including Mike Rinder fetching coffee..

Anyone recognize the dude standing behind Jan Eastgate?

Hint: psychotic douchebag.

Ex Scientologist Message Board - View Single Post - BBC Panorama: Desperate Lies 2010 (footbullet from Freedommag)

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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Smurf;1330241 said:

Someone at ESMB posted very large screenprints of parts of the expose, including Mike Rinder fetching coffee..

Anyone recognize the dude standing behind Jan Eastgate?

Hint: Smurf changed this

Ex Scientologist Message Board - View Single Post - BBC Panorama: Desperate Lies 2010 (footbullet from Freedommag)

Hey Smurf. Just gonna say it. Thought the daughter comment was disrespectul to her memory.

Other pix: this is a derail to point of this thread, but it's wounds are obviously not from someone gripping an arm, even hard.

Smurf · Sep 30, 2010

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Anonymous;1330245 said:

Hey Smurf. Just gonna say it. Thought the daughter comment was disrespectul to her memory.

Point taken.

the anti · Sep 30, 2010

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we should ask him if he's still having homo sex

Smurf · Sep 30, 2010

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the anti;1330259 said:

we should ask him if he's still having homo sex

You know better than to be asking that question, silly.

Holl Anon · Sep 30, 2010

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Marty sez that Mike Rinder is back in the UK today filming a homage to LRH.

This Afternoon At St. Hill | Moving On Up a Little Higher

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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Smurf;1330250 said:

Point taken.

Thanks. Now about those pix! Woh

I swear I saw a video of Rinder at the doctors office and the ambush, but couldn't find it when I went looking for it?

OTBT · Sep 30, 2010

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Anonymous;1329910 said:

Does Sweeney really believe Marty's e-meter shit? sry thruthdetector shit? WTF???

Paulette Cooper called it a truth detector decades ago. And it looks like the original reference to truth detector claim was in Scientology "Ability" magazine Issue 1. Follow the citations and footnotes

The Scandal of Scientology / Chapter 2: The Confessionals

The preclear believes that the E-meter works somewhat like a lie detector. He is told that it is a "truth detector," however, and he therefore reveals increasingly intimate details of his life to his auditor while holding on to the meter.{4}

Also, LIFE magazine article, 15 Nov 1968

LIFE - Google Books

"And it works like a lie detector?" I asked dubiously.
"Well, we call it a truth detector."

I think Marty was simply remembering early scilon claims that the e-meter was a truth detector.

DeathHamster · Sep 30, 2010

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OTBT;1330281 said:

I think Marty was simply remembering early scilon claims that the e-meter was a truth detector.

Remembering, hell! They repeat it until it's burned into the neurons.

exOT8Michael · Sep 30, 2010

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DeathHamster;1330297 said:

Remembering, hell! They repeat it until it's burned into the neurons.

[[ NSFW: TECHNICAL; For the exes RE E-METER on Panorama. It must have been annoying to DM, TD etc see that John Sweeney's needle was clean and that he was getting TA movement. Their SP claims or evil purpose/rockslam claims will be void and they know it. ]]

Ok, back to non Scilon speak. If JS was a suppressive or crazy the e-meter needle actions would have been very different to what we saw. I also wonder what his naughty thought was. LOL

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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I chuckle at this derail. As far as the emeter, please, anything larger than a postage stamp or Maybe an iphone is considered luggage these days, and if it doesn't make your coffee in the morning, perform a thousand or more other tasks, and cost less than $200, it's dead in the market.

In context of the entire Panorama Special, Sweeney made his point about the device, and then nailed it to the cross later in further context of "anything you say can and will be used against you."

Sponge · Sep 30, 2010

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Holl Anon;1330275 said:

Marty sez that Mike Rinder is back in the UK today filming a homage to LRH.

This Afternoon At St. Hill | Moving On Up a Little Higher

He was in London on Tuesday in actual fact. Anonymous got the photo exclusive..... and Rinder's autograph on Anon Spangly's protest sign outside the cult's Tottenham Court Road shop.

btw, how the fuck do SPs just walk into St.Hill grounds when they've just been talking shit on the "church" of scientology in a national tv documentary?

OTBT · Sep 30, 2010

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Sponge;1330307 said:

He was in London on Tuesday in actual fact. Anonymous got the photo exclusive..... and Rinder's autograph on Anon Spangly's protest sign outside the cult's Tottenham Court Road shop.

btw, how the fuck do SPs just walk into St.Hill grounds when they've just been talking shit on the "church" of scientology in a national tv documentary?

This Afternoon At St. Hill | Moving On Up a Little Higher

Holy crap, where are all the scilons in the photos of Saint Hill? Saint Hill is totally deserted, except for the 2 freezoners (in the photos) and Rinder (who supposedly took the photos).

The shades are drawn in the Saint Hill photos. Are all the scilons hiding? WTF?!?

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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Boring BBC special is boring.

Smurf · Sep 30, 2010

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Anonymous;1330276 said:

Thanks. Now about those pix! Woh

I swear I saw a video of Rinder at the doctors office and the ambush, but couldn't find it when I went looking for it?

The Panorama show only showed stills of Mike Rinder's white car with audio excerpts from the cell phone call between Rinder & Sweeney that date.

Anonymous · Sep 30, 2010

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OTBT;1330281 said:

Paulette Cooper called it a truth detector decades ago. And it looks like the original reference to truth detector claim was in Scientology "Ability" magazine Issue 1.

I think Marty was simply remembering early scilon claims that the e-meter was a truth detector.

Nope. Marty actually believes that the E-meter is an important & instrumental tool in a Scientologist's life and that it is a "truth detector". He said as much when he had Jon Sweeney on the cans and has said the same repeatedly on his blog.

Smurf · Sep 30, 2010

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OTBT;1330316 said:

This Afternoon At St. Hill | Moving On Up a Little Higher

Holy crap, where are all the scilons in the photos of Saint Hill? Saint Hill is totally deserted, except for the 2 freezoners (in the photos) and Rinder (who supposedly took the photos).

The shades are drawn in the Saint Hill photos. Are all the scilons hiding? WTF?!?

The shades are drawn on what used to be LRH's home. It's not the staff area. There are different ways to get onto the estate without being immediately detected, however, with all the cameras, I'm surprised Mike & Christie were able to get as far as they did.

I guarantee you that someone in security will be handed their ass & hauled off to RPF for committing this act of gross out security which, in the cult mindfuck, is seem as endangering the organization.

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Sponge;1330307 said:

...
btw, how the fuck do SPs just walk into St.Hill grounds ... ?

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Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1330345 said:

Nope. Marty actually believes that the E-meter is an important & instrumental tool in a Scientologist's life and that it is a "truth detector". He said as much when he had Jon Sweeney on the cans and has said the same repeatedly on his blog.

Yup..it's a 'truth detector' according to Marty. He apparently worships the 'Truth Detector'. All the power to him, that he worships a 10 dollar piece of cheap electrical wiring.

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1330389 said:

Yup..it's a 'truth detector' according to Marty. He apparently worships the 'Truth Detector'. All the power to him, that he worships a 10 dollar piece of cheap electrical wiring.

Truth Detector my ass. Ain't no truth anywhere in scientology or freezone.

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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He has to 'worship' it...he plans to make a killing auditing all those freezoners

Ann O'Nymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1330276 said:

Thanks. Now about those pix! Woh

I swear I saw a video of Rinder at the doctors office and the ambush, but couldn't find it when I went looking for it?

Smurf;1330344 said:

The Panorama show only showed stills of Mike Rinder's white car with audio excerpts from the cell phone call between Rinder & Sweeney that date.

I don't remember a video, but there is a phone call from M or M with one of the 7 scientologists (source: perhaps Marty's blog).

Anonymous;1330245 said:

Other pix: this is a derail to point of this thread, but it's wounds are obviously not from someone gripping an arm, even hard.

Same impression.

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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I think it was audio.

getbeckyout · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1330318 said:

Boring BBC special is boring.

Look at your bank balance, and ask youself where has all the money gone, be open minded if you can and stop been a drone.

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1330318 said:

Boring BBC special is boring.

How much is your 'freeloader debt'?

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1330318 said:

Boring BBC special is boring.

David Miscavige sucks Body Thetan cock on Hollywood Boulevard.

TinyDancer · Oct 1, 2010

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Anonymous;1329979 said:

That was my point.

Course not.

Then we are in furious agreement!

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Excuse minor derail- but, regarding the emeter -the movement of the needle cannot be very accurate as it only measures skin resistance and does that badly owing to the use of cans highly affected by how hard they're held.

The process has much more to do with this:
Cold reading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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Why didn't Amy mention the RPF prison camp, in fact, why didn't any of them mention what goes on at Gold? Disappointing, but otherwise fairly good, Sweeny made the clams look exactly how they are insane. LOL he's got the game now...just document and expose the clammy creepiness and show the world. *no worries however, rumor has it a new documentary interview people who have no qualms talking about the prison camp, celebrity gayness, and other such stuff.*

Anonymous · Oct 1, 2010

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TinyDancer;1330492 said:

Then we are in furious agreement!

Yes, god damn it!

AnonymousNow · Oct 1, 2010

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WELL DONE BBC!

Well edited.

Highly rated BBC program calling the COS expressly a "CULT," and using the everyman John Sweeny to do it. It's hard to beat that sort of win. Highest rated program and it will have reruns, BBC website views for years to come.

Anonymous · Oct 2, 2010

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Dusting off the costumes - The Irish Times - Sat, Oct 02, 2010

Going back for a second helping and relishing the dish that’s best served cold was Panorama ’s John Sweeney, who in 2007 made a holy show of himself while making a documentary on Scientology. Then, the normally calm investigative reporter lost his temper and shouted with such in-your-face abandon at the Scientology spokesman that it became a YouTube sensation. This Panorama documentary was his revenge, and his ammunition was Mike Rinder, one of the spokespeople who had so thwarted him the last time but who has since left Scientology and is willing to spill the beans – sort of. All that Sweeney really got out of him and the others he spoke to who have left Scientology was that Sweeney wasn’t being paranoid in 2007 – he really was being followed by Scientologists who filmed his every move. Furthermore, they developed (obviously excellent) psychological strategies to make him lose his temper so that he’d look ridiculous.

The Church of Scientology still denied everything, of course, although this time the surveillance was obvious. Everywhere Sweeney went, so did several camera-carrying Scientologists. So far so creepy; this bizarre behaviour added weight to Sweeney’s contention that this is a brainwashing cult, not a religion. He talked to the actor Jason Bighe – Scientology is big in Hollywood – who had given over €1 million to the organisation but has now left it. Sweeney asked if he thought it was “a cult or a racket”. “They’re not mutually exclusive,” Bighe said.

By the end I don’t know if it was the swanky headquarters, the celeb converts, the fact that it was sunny everywhere he went or that everyone looked handsome in a clean, toothy Tom Cruise sort of way, but Scientology looked quite attractive – that’s if you don’t mind having your thoughts “audited” by an “E-meter”, a gizmo Captain Kirk might have had in his drawer, and paying a fortune to rise up through the ranks and make yourself believe in Xenu and his intergalactic confederacy that existed 75 million years ago. At least you get to live for a billion years or more, which is about how long we’ll be paying for Anglo Irish Bank.

AnotherSock · Oct 2, 2010

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If the Irish Times has a comments section, it may need to be 'pooned with a copy of Zabrina Collins' email.

Should we let the clams make a few of their ridiculous statements first or not?

Anonymous · Oct 2, 2010

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AnotherSock;1330895 said:

Should we let the clams make a few of their ridiculous statements first or not?

never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake

Anonymous · Oct 2, 2010

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Anonymous;1331073 said:

never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake

How's rule 34 work on that? Accidental Buttsecks?

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