A little bit of Sci-fi for you all

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by cafanon, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. cafanon Member

    One of the reasons I like Sci-fi so much is that is poses the question "What if...." I like to think the reason a lot of us are here is because we are looking for answers to problems that people have refused to answer or convinced themselves that we as a species are unable to answer them. I think Science Fiction proves them wrong.

    One of the reasons I am here, more specifically on the "Freedom of Information" initiative is that I firmly believe the Internet is the biggest technological advancement for Western Civilization since the printing of the Gutenburg Bible. I also believe that people, as well as the Established Order, are fighting a psychological battle within themselves, and with each other (SOPA....for example) that will decide the fate of this great technological achievement and with it, the destiny of the world. It is my opinion that if the Internet is allowed to be censored, and information to be controlled or filtered OUT OF FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN, then the Internet will allow a form of fear that would make Stalin's mustache stiffen like get the idea.

    It has been my experience on WWP that you all seem to understand this, but I would like to pose an alternative. Perhaps we, as a people, now have the technology to make a true participatory democracy a not so impossible dream. Now back to Sci Fi.

    Here is a great scene from Deus Ex, Invisible War, that I believe discusses this problem better than I ever could. For those of you that aren't familiar with the series, ignore the moon-battery...thats just part of the storyline of the game....(or is it....muahahahha)

  2. Anonymous Member

    People want to censor the internet to enforce copyright (e.g. Hollywood), for political control (e.g. China), for religious control (e.g. Pakistan), to hide crimes (e.g. wikileaks). I don't know what you mean by censoring the internet out of fear.
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  3. cafanon Member

    Well, a great example would be SOPA in my opinion. How did they justify this disgusting piece of legislation: "Internet pirates are going to take all your jobs!" Sounds like fear to me. What do you think?
  4. cafanon Member

    I mean, god forbid we get some Bachman-ite to create legislation to shut down website because some idiot posts a picture of some naked or partially naked chick. Kind of a slippery slope, but I'm sure you see my meaning.
  5. adhocrat Member

    You are missing the broadcast frequencies. That is the closest parallel to what is happening now. The government is saying "Fear fear fear" as a way to justify more control which is what they did in the 1920s with the new radio stations.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    As much as i love the Deus ex games(playing human revolution at the moment)
    I don't equate RL events with computer games.
  7. cafanon Member

    Well, here was my idea, "WHAT IF, with the internet we have the technology to make a true direct democracy possible?" Wouldn't that be something? Educate the masses, inform them (in a non-convoluted manner) of the ins and outs of legislation (down with 100+ page Patriot Acts for example) and allow them to process such information to be able to make informed decisions about such legislation? At the very least, people wouldn't be fooled by things such as NDAA 2012 which is a freaking legal labyrinth of treasonous legislation and cryptic wording and references to past bills.

    Maybe the programming language is something still belonging to the realm of science fiction, but man... what if.
  8. cafanon Member

    exactly, isn't the general abstract term for that...well, terrorism.
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  10. Herro Member

    Bitches don't know 'bout my Aquinas Router.
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  11. What give the masses a tool such as the internetz and they prefer.........You Tube, if.
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  12. ogisforbes Member

    Is it possible that the increased attempts of government to censor, monitor, and control the internet are a result of the acknowledging of the possible validity of the idea you speak of?
  13. Anonymous Member

    What if we all had super powers, and using them was very simple, except that you had to know a very specific secret to use them that the government has been hiding from you for your entire life. Then, one day, you find out and have no way to let anyone know. Now let's say instead you get on Facebook and tell your 700 friends the secret, who tell their 700 friends the secret and so on. Soon, everyone knows, and the government has no power left over its people.
  14. Anonymous Member

    Internet has made representative government obsolete. Time to take the thing down, once and for all.
  15. CarterUSP Member

    Educate the masses? Unlikely to happen.
    Too many stupid people. Even when being taught simple ideas as a small child at school, there was always some kind on my table that would just sit there eating crayons instead.
    Make useful knowledge available on the internet and most of the world will ignore it, too busy facebooking, watxching cute cat vids on youtube and looking at porn. The only way to get people to actually look at what we think might be important is by censoring all the crap and forcing people to look at what we think is important.
  16. Anonymous Member

    The only problem with your idea is that Herro (or one of his ilk) will be the one appointed to judge what is crap that should be censored... and you know that won't end well.

    "Kill your god, kill your TV!" - Marilyn Manson
  17. What happened to let the people decide?

    And who makes themselves king and decides what should be censored and what is important? How is that an improvement? Because it will satisfy the revolutionary minority?
  18. xenubarb Member

    It was better when you had to login via DOS. Then AOL came along, and windows, and gave the masses pretty pictures to click.

    And when you got them all set up in AOL because they were your fishing buddy's g'friend and her daughter, they
    1. Go to AOL dating lounges
    2. Give pw to spammer window that popped up. YOU ARE AN ILLEGAL USER, ENTER YOUR PW NOW.

    And then it was all downhill from there...
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  19. adhocrat Member

    "...and get offa my lawn, ya punk kids ya"
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  20. CarterUSP Member

    Derp. I was being ironic. Read my post again.
    I was saying that letting the people decide is a lovely idea that doesn't produce the utopian results that idealists expect. People are free to eat junk food or something more nutritious, and the fast food chains and obesity products suppliers do very well out of this freedom. People are free to choose shallow kneejerk soundbite politics or sound policy, but still idiots and the corrupt get elected.
    Any one of us can get exasperated with freely made democratic decisions made by easily swayed people, that don't agree with our personal agenda. I think we have to deal with it.
    Freedom includes the freedom to be stupid and to make bad decisions. Any utopia would be ruined by human stupidity within a matter of months.
  21. adhocrat Member

    Ya know, we vote hundreds of times every day in the most basic and banal of choices and in the most important decisions of our lives. This makes our needs and wants known to those best able to supply them. Voting once every few years is a poor substitute for that cornucopia of feedback that is the market.
  22. Anonymous Member

    It's very American, this idea that people are truly given choices. Watch the opening of "Trainspotting" again.
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  23. CarterUSP Member

    I'm not American.
    Anyway, my point is that the problem is not politics, censorship or all the rest, the problem is human nature, selfish shortsightedness and stupidity.
  24. All of those are in ample supply in America!
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  25. adhocrat Member

    Oh my.
    I think you need a hug.
  26. Anonymous Member

    I didn't mean to imply your were American, I must apologise.

    I was saying that the IDEA was very American. I mean, what makes America great is all the choosing one can do.
    Only one can't choose who the President won't kill today. Or which countries will be invaded by Special Forces, or whether everyone can have equal access to health care, etc., etc. </rant>
  27. Anonymous Member

  28. Anonymous Member

    Also: stupidity is not a crime, but it ought to be.
  29. Herro Member

    Oh trust me, you don't want that.
  30. Anonymous Member

    You'd be the first one convicted.
  31. The ones who think they are clever are often the most supid
  32. Anonymous Member

    S U P I D - is this some kind of new disease?
  33. Dictionary or wikki may help you here
  34. Anonymous Member

    supid is as supid does
  35. Ya did check online dictionary first though, didn't ya!
  36. CarterUSP Member

    I'm waiting....
  37. adhocrat Member

    When you get to SF let me know. I'll greet with open arms.
  38. CarterUSP Member

    Sounds great. There's a lot of love on WWP.

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