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12 weeks jail for Facebook post

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by Anonymous, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. Anonymous Member

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-teenager-jailed-facebook


    Welcome to Soviet Britain. The man wasn't even trolling one of the grief porn sites, these were comments he made on his own Facebook page.
  2. Anonymous Member

    I RTFA... better yet: Let me post it up for everybody to see the fail to the OP's stance:

    So, a retarded 19 year old posts sick, sexual things about a 5 year old and gets thrown in an UK prison for 12 weeks?
    ..and you are perfectly fine in defending this scumbag, OP?
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  3. Anonymous Member

    Do you know what the 'sexually explicit' things were?

    That's it. That's the joke that kicked the whole thing off.

    As for you, get the fuck out of a freedom of expression forum until you understand what it means. I'm not condoning what was said but I'll defend the right to say it.
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  4. Anonymous Member

    Freedom of Speech/Expression =/= Saying pedophilia-ish things no matter how you want to spin it.

    According to that strawman cop out (I'm not condoning what was said but I'll defend the right to say it.), then it is perfectly ok to post pedophilia. Freedom of speech after all...

    Maybe you should take a look into what isn't allowed or covered in that "Freedom of expression" of yours. Slander is one that isn't covered. Neither is defamation (which is what this possible pedophile did).

    Argue, defend, vote dumb all you want. It doesn't change the fact what this retarded 19 year old did was beyond out of line and isn't excusable in any sense of the phrase.
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  5. CarterUSP Member

    Damn.
    It's stuff like this that stretches my belief in freedom of speech to the limit.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    The TOR question...
  7. raboon Member

    Jokes about dead children are illegal now?
  8. Anonymous Member

    British judges vs Internet

    dadmpaael.jpg
  9. Anonymous Member

    It's sexually explicit, reliant on the definition used for the word "comes", which is obviously double entendre.

    "Freedom of expression" itself can be a thought-stopper, as the paraphrased/misquoted Voltaire shows.

    There is also the concept of discernment or proper judgment.

    You'll defend the right of whomever to say whatever, but at what level of personal risk to yourself?
    Would you defend the [questionable] right of Islamic mullahs to issue fatwas (death sentences)? Or the right to deny the Holocaust of WWII? Or maybe that's not a protected form of free speech, though essentially implying the desire to rape a child is?

    IOW, I don't know that Voltaire was thinking of pedophiliacs when he wrote was he did; but, do feel free with the language from the safe position behind your keyboard ;)

    If you're advocating anarchy, that's different, as would be the consequences of the same.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    LOL. Posting a dumb joke doesn't make the guy a paedo no matter how much hysterical spin you want to put on it and libel isn't a criminal matter. Do you get your panties all bunched every time someone posts a Pedobear pic?

    No cop out from me. It's not something I'd post myself but I'm not going to sit back and agree that the guy deserves to be jailed.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    Fuck this guy. Ass full of Bubba's big dick in jail.
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  12. Anonymous Member

    I think your confusing the matter. This wasn't a simple one post == Go to Jail. Do not pass Go, Do not collect $200. This was a faggot who posted multiple obscene images/messages over a period of time.

    How many times was he told to stop? Was he told to stop before the cops busted his ass? Provide more dox, then we'll talk.

    You are also forgetting: This is the UK. They have different laws regarding morality and obscenity. Had this numbnuts did it in the states, nothing would have come out of it. Oh people might make a stink, but there isn't anything the US law could do. Before you bring out the "Barrett Brown BAWWWW fest" in an attempt to deflect that, remember: Brown is a different beast (he made a threat in a country on pins and needles about terrorism, not "Imma rape the FBI's kids").

    Got a problem with the law? Then do whatever the UK fags do to change the laws. However, it is very hard to empathize with a faggot who posted vulgar, sick comments about a child that got murdered in a clear attempt to offend those who seen it.

    Feel free to down-vote: Don't care. Say "Freedom of Expression means you can say hateful, despicable, insulting things and there are no consequences!" to yourself and to others: Doesn't work that way. It doesn't change the fact this is a case where Freedom of Expression doesn't buy you a free ticket to say vulgar things without consequences and a PA to defend it.
  13. Anonymous Member

    QFT
  14. Anonymous Member

    Oh, what an entertaining comment!

    I am bowled over by the subtle irony containing in this masterpiece of brilliant prose. This "Bubba" character of your is such an inspired creation, I gravely doubt the world shall ever see it's like repeated.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Almost as entertaining as the rape "jokes" posted about an abducted 5 year old girl, by someone old enough to know the consequences. This idiot is likely in jail for his own safety.

    I would imagine spending the next two weeks recieving the tough love anally from his cellmate would be far, far preferable to what might have happened to him had the courts sent him home to face the wrath of his townsfolk and a raft of vigilante lunatics armed with pitchforks, but hey, that free speech is a bitch when you're held accountable for it.

    This little prick is just as fucked up as the grief-porn trolls who torment families who have lost children to suicide, accidents, murder, and I would positively encourage a more extreme system of punishment, including jail, for those who get their kicks out of destroying people in their time of unthinkable agony.

    Again, fuck him. Hope the rapes cause a prolapse.
  16. Anonymous Member

  17. Anonymous Member

    (weeks, not days) ^^^
  18. Anonymous Member

    I'm horrified that somebody would get sent to prison for merely exercising his free speech on his own facebook account. Sure, I'd expect something like that from countries like Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia, but I'm shocked that a British judge would give such a sentence. And I don't care how disgusting the comments are.

    Remember that:
    I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
    Voltaire
  19. Anonymous Member

    Ummm.
    Let's see, we have Bradley Manning who has essentially no rights now, innocent people being fucked over by cops, our internet activities and phone calls monitored (in the US anyway) and I am supposed to feel some sort of rage because a sick fuck wants to make comments about a dead child?
    Fuck him for being sicko that cares more about himself than the feelings of her parents. Fuck him for turning a sad situation into "ego fag fame for his clever jokes."
    He is, right now anyway, a waste of life.
    Also, IMHO I wish that he hadn't been placed in protective custody, but I say this because protective custody is too kind.
  20. Anonymous Member

    That's how it starts - first they jail you for a couple of bad taste jokes, then they jail you for "offending religion" and at the end you get to the Bradley Manning/Julian Assange situation. So yeah, I do give a fuck about somebody who posted silly jokes. Words should not land people in prison, unless they incite to violence.
  21. Anonymous Member

    I get this, but this asshole is not a platform. They child is dead and this guy is scum.
    Yes, I wish that the press had just reported his disgusting comments about the poor child and let the grieving family deal with him. Though if this happened, I imagine he'd be dead.
  22. sallysock Member

  23. Anonymous Member

    First tell me the objectionable statement, then tell me that expressing the objectionable statement must be forbidden.
  24. Anonymous Member

    DIAF.
  25. muldrake Member

    Okay, so how do you set up a system where making a sick joke is a jailable offense without locking up people like Bill Hicks and Doug Stanhope? Stanhope routinely makes jokes that make that look like a Bazooka Joe comic.

    "But he's funny," you might say. Well, not being funny is not a criminal offense.
  26. Anonymous Member

    I don't Facebook. Is a post to Facebook like making an offensive statement in a room full of friends?
  27. muldrake Member

    I could see it as being a form of harassment if you posted it to the dead person's wall.
  28. Anonymous Member

    that's the point of my question? :)
  29. Anonymous Member

    QFT.
  30. A.O.T.F Member

    [IMG]


    Who would break a butterfly on a wheel?



    Our Children are precious beings and it is imperative that we protect them from the sick fucks of this world.


    Thanks for posting the pic Sallysocks - it helps to bring it on home.
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  31. You might consider what this young man wrote to be an internet variant of shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre.

    At the very height of public concern for a 5 year-old girl's safety, what was written was grossly offensive. Someone here also considered that it might change things if his words were an incitement to violence. There is a case for arguing that this is precisely what happened, since a mob gathered outside his home, probably not for the purpose of debating the nuances of Voltaire's philosophy.

    But there is no doubt that this case raises issues of concern for the right to free speech, as it may have a chilling effect on anyone making any kind of controversial statement. The law is by no means perfect, but the specific circumstances do make a difference. The difference, arguably, between what a Bill Hicks might say and what this young man said, is simply one of timing. If people actually rioted at some insensitive joke he told, that might land Bill Hicks in jail too.

    There was a recent case where Andrew Mitchell, an MP and Cabinet Minister, called a police officer a 'fucking pleb', which many also found to be grossly offensive. He didn't get hauled off to spend 12 weeks in prison though, and his Tory chums all stood by him. But then, perhaps his outburst wasn't quite so grossly offensive as that of the young man in question. Maybe he should have gotten 6 weeks in jail, but he got nothing - no criminal record, kept his plum job, and the party apparatus worked diligently to sweep the matter under the carpet.

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