‘The Internet is Here’ - iConference 2011

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I think I know where they're coming from here. Basically anytime anyone on a local city's forum or IRC channel links something on Enturb/WWP etc. - "What about this? How could we use this locally / at our raids?"

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lol. great to see newfags jumpin in.

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been around since '07 bud, try again.

i liek to dick around sometimes, not all oldfags are mistic all knowing dragons who only smile at last mimzy memes and hate everything that reminds them of the
late /b/

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I agree with everything except this. There is a very obvious barrier to 4Chan from the outside.... Gore, Pornography, and absurd humor. This is its defense mechanism to keep those outsiders out. In order to absorb chanology culture you would have to submit to many things you may despise or may spend alot of time throwing up in the bathroom.

This is what kept chanology so exclusive.

The only reason I was able to absorb chanology was my strong desire to learn who my new friend was.

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A couple folks emailed me about this thread. Thanks for reading and thinking about our paper. I was the second author, so I am less connected with the whole project but still very interested in this conversation.

I felt like we were pretty accurate in the paper, given the word limit and that we did not have much space to explain the nuance except the parts related to our main themes.

A couple folks wondered if there would be a video of the talk-- I dunno what the conference organizers have planned, but I will bring a camera and post the vid if that is allowed.

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1. Learn to spell.
2. Dada started here, but influenced artistic mouvements elsewhere, like the surrealism in France.

I really like the many remarks made in this thread. My main concern with the paper is about the authors' insistence on how chanology fits to a pre-existing model. Good to have, though.

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You can't publish some shit as an academic when you are wading through the same cesspool flinging shit. You shaped the movement and direction at the same time adn sticking your dick in the waters. You sir are a failed academic.

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Dox or STFU.

If you have a point to make, which I doubt, do so with some level of coherence. Also, large fonts and use of color lessen any legitimacy some might have given your odd vitriolic diatribe.

If this is one of the authors, welcome. Is there material in your presentation not contained in the paper?

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I really enjoyed reading that. It mirrors much of my thinking, while adding significant academic research, citations, and even an empirical study (yay!). I like to consider myself one of Chanology's social scientists/philosophers, and you've out-done me.

Which isn't to say the paper is comprehensive... but what paper could be?

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Thank you! I can't wait to see it.

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Point well taken. I was not thinking so much of actively participating by posting regularly on /b/ and becoming a "member", but the public availability of everything to someone who is not an active participant.

Before the internets there were real insider jokes. For example, there were insider Hells Angels jokes that you could not understand unless you actually became one.

In the case of /b/ you can understand the memetic cullture simply by reading. As you point out, it takes a strong stomach. My personal bias got in the way - I don't mind gore or porn. It a way its fascinating but tiresome. It is definitely off-putting.

About two months into Chanology here at Enturb/WWP a /b/tard posted: It's pleasant to be able to carry on an inteligent discussion without having to look at images of guys with knives through their dicks.

On a related note, in the summer of 2008 and old fag chanologist from /b/ said:

"/b/ used to be a bunch of intelligent people acting like retards. Now it's a bunch of retards trying to act intelligent."

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Thanks on both counts.

I am not sure what Pat has planned, but I think there wont be too much new since most people know surprisingly little about the topic.

However, it probably makes sense to frame the presentation in relation to the larger context in which things like project chanology are playing an important role. Things like, the nature and importance of anonymity, digital protest, conflict between organizations, individual rights, and the changing balance of power between individuals, organizations and the state.

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My mouth it is watering. Wish I could make it.

I would love to hear more thoughts on the nature and importance of anonymity, an issue not very much discussed. COS hammers away that "Anonymity has most often been used historically to hide criminal activity" the more to condemn us.

moot makes a couple of good points about anonymity in his speech at TED. He said he thinks it is a dinosaur in face of the overwhelming onslaught of promotion of persistent identity by FaceBook and the like. He also says that people are now posting on FB information they would be outraged to give out over the phone if some stranger called them up and asked for it.

4chan's moot takes pro-anonymity to TED 2010

Christopher "moot" Poole: The case for anonymity online | Video on TED.com

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The Church of Scinetology's take on anonymity on the internet: http://www.freedomontheinternet.org/hijack.htm

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The point you're missing, and that the paper's authors implicitly got right, is protesters are, by their very nature, influenced by that which they protest. When tactics fail, new ones are adopted, or the protesting ends. True, lessons were learned from the CoS, but these were also used later in the Iran and other online protests that moved to rl. I think the authors have a deep understanding of Chanology, especially its nascent and transitional stages, and also have a deep understanding of what this may mean for the future of protests and how groups form and interact. If they're right, I'm pretty excited about what it will mean.

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The constituent parts of the epic coalescence/excrescence that is /b/ were floating around the interwebz long before the chans but they never had such a convenient (and anonymous) locale in which to coalesce and excresce. You can defnitely read your way around the subculture but as for understanding... I think there's a sensibility that's either native to your sad, troubled soul or not; the webz just summons it forth.

I guess this is what's known as regression to the moron.

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Your link shows an analysis based on 12 results (on my screen). Not conclusive, IMHO.

I can only repeat what I said. AFAIR:
- The monthly events in early 2008 were usually referred to as "monthly protests",
- The raids emerged when these protests declined in numbers, with the corresponding rationale: (1) unannounced presence was more likely to take scientologists off-guard, (2) it does not take hundreds of people to close an org (one is enough).

This structure is still visible on this site: IRL Activism - Why We Protest | Activism Forum

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No, on /b/, YouTube, Digg, Flickr etc. they were usually called raids.

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I am Raven. Weird people have told me this more than once.
BTW, your shoelace is untied!